Type 2 Diabetes

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Sparks1971

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Posted: 14 May 2018, 09:44
I'm looking for a little hope, please? Is there anyone here that has/had type II diabetes that was able to improve their A1C or even reverse their diabetes with a keto lifestyle?

I'm having a really bad day, I just got my A1C results back which I thought would be great because I felt like I was staying pretty low carb the last three months (although fully owning that I have cheated a lot). After my last A1C they doubled my metformin to 1000 mg and since then I lost 11 pounds and I have been feeling better. I was just hoping for something better on the newest test.

I'm so confused and fed up with the medical/pharmaceutical establishments. I just don't feel they have any vested interest in helping people. They just want to push more drugs and do as little as possible to get by while making as much money as they can. So, I try to do a lot of research myself on type 2 and there is a lot of conflicting information but I believe Low Carb/Keto is the way to go.

I was just hoping someone here has had real success on Keto with type 2 so I can be reassured that I'm on the right track and I just need to drive on and cheat less Wink
abbadabba

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Posted: 14 May 2018, 09:53
Here's the thing. The number one reason that medical advice and prescriptions don't work is that the patient refuses to comply. Hopefully some people who have lowered their blood sugar will tell you how it is working for them.
Every day is a new day.
Miraculum

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Posted: 14 May 2018, 20:08
Yes, noncompliance with treatment is a problem with diabetics. The problem is INSULIN, aka "hyperinsulinemia."

The more your BS goes up, the more insulin you take. The more insulin you take, the more your body holds on to carbohydrate ... As FAT. So, you try to starve yourself, but can't maintain it. Eat carbs. Increase insulin. Get fatter. Get sicker. Die.

I'm here to tell you: YOU CAN BEAT DIABETES WITH THE KETOGENIC DIET!

This is keto week two for me. My average blood sugar (I test at least three times a day) has dropped over 70 mg/dL in the first eight days, and I've lost 7.5 pounds so far. I've cut the dose of long-acting Levemir and short-acting Humalog in half. Noncompliance was a terrible problem for me, for 18 years. No more!

Science supports myriad health benefits of KD. This is not a gimmick!

For the great news about T2DM and the KD, read How to Reverse Type 2 Diabetes.
DECIDE, then: COMMIT! PLAN! EXECUTE! REST! REPEAT!
Sparks1971

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Posted: 15 May 2018, 06:30
Those are amazing results for only two weeks! It does help me feel like I've picked the right way of eating. As far as compliance, I've had bad reactions (pancreatitis, digestive issues) with Victoza, Januvia and Metformin. I did really well on Glumetza (sp?) but the maker raised the price to something like $600.00 a bottle, so I had to use the generic Metformin ER which is supposed to be similar, but I've not seen any change in my blood sugars on the metformin ER. I still take it religiously (I missed one day in the past year). My fear is what Miraculum described above, if I can't get my BS under control on metformin ER and I keep having adverse reactions to other diabetic drugs I'm afraid they will put me on insulin and insulin works exactly as described it's a fast road to getting sicker.
abbadabba

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Posted: 15 May 2018, 07:34
Part of the treatment is eating 100% on plan with the keto diet. If keto is going to work you have to at least start off following it 100% for a month.
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Sparks1971

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Posted: 15 May 2018, 10:01
abbadabba wrote:
Part of the treatment is eating 100% on plan with the keto diet. If keto is going to work you have to at least start off following it 100% for a month.


Yes, I definitely have failed in that regard, but no choice but to pick myself up and dive back in.
Miraculum

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Posted: 15 May 2018, 23:03
Since beginning to concentrate on keto eating, I'm eating way fewer grams of carbohydrate than I had previously. The last few days, I've been going below 40 (5-day average = 37.16g).

I have ketone urine test strips and tested for the first few days, but there was no change in the very light pink color -- somewhere between "none" and "minimal." I don't want to waste the strips when I'm eating way too many carbs and most probably not in ketosis.

I'm going to test tomorrow, since my total carbs have been under 40g. I'll let you know if there's any change.

I've toyed with the idea of getting a ketone blood test kit, but they are very expensive.
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baskington

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Posted: 16 May 2018, 05:16
you need to start at 20 net carbs to get into ketosis. and you need to make sure you are not eating too much protein. 70% fat 5% carbs and %25 of protein. having too much carbs or protein will prevent you from getting into ketosis. once your body has adjusted after a couple months you may be one of the lucky ones and raise your carb level a bit. but induction is definitely 20 net carbs. I did not realize that eating too much protein would knock me out of ketosis and harmed my diet for months. now it is slow and steady
baskington

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Posted: 16 May 2018, 06:20
the other thing I learned is I can not eat however many calories I want. I have to restrict my calories to below the level of maintaining my weight. I filled in the chart to get my calories for daily level to lose weight. I also use the food calculator to keep track of my macros. while it is not perfect it really does help a lot
bmr1

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Posted: 16 May 2018, 08:59
After many years with an A1C of 5.7 my HMO recorded that I was pre-diabetic. That was enough to spur me into action. I improved my diet...restricting calories from “white” carbs but adding whole grains on a daily basis, foods high in potassium, magnesium and calcium (mostly fruits and vegetables)’ eliminating processed foods, and regularly taking my vitamins and supplements (folic acid, Vitamins D, B12, calcium, fish oil and multi vitamin). In addition I added regular walking and yoga plus gardening and yard work. Not only did my A1C drop to 5.3, but my blood pressure dropped to less than 120/80 and
I have lost a small amount of weight. I try to limit my carbs to 150 and get the fiber close to 30, nd eat fruits and vegetables at every meal.
Sparks1971

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Posted: 16 May 2018, 14:39
Thank you all, great information here!
golfpsycho

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Posted: 17 May 2018, 22:13
I have been trying to eat Keto for a couple months, but it ends up just being LCHF, and I have sabotaged myself by having a weekly cheat day when I meet friends for lunch. Even so, I have lowered my A1C from 6.6 to 5.6, and lost 35 lbs. My average carbs for the 2 months as been 44 gms per day ... gross. Net is much lower as fiber is subtracted. I'm sure it would work even better if I can maintain the standards and eliminate cheat days.
Sparks1971

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Posted: 18 May 2018, 06:24
golfpsycho wrote:
I have been trying to eat Keto for a couple months, but it ends up just being LCHF, and I have sabotaged myself by having a weekly cheat day when I meet friends for lunch. Even so, I have lowered my A1C from 6.6 to 5.6, and lost 35 lbs. My average carbs for the 2 months as been 44 gms per day ... gross. Net is much lower as fiber is subtracted. I'm sure it would work even better if I can maintain the standards and eliminate cheat days.


I think you are doing pretty darn well! I'm working my way there. Right now doing OMAD and not worrying too much about the carbs for now. I'm just casually hoping to keep them @ or under 100 total.

I've read that doing OMAD will decrease my cravings a bit and I'll start naturally gravitating toward eating healthier. I think there may be something to that. I noticed the first day I did OMAD I was ravenous when I finally got to eat and I ate an entire personal margherita pizza and two giant handfuls of peanut butter M&Ms, I was so full I had trouble sleeping. The next day even after not eating all day, I really didn't have an appetite and I didn't stuff myself and yesterday I did pretty good as well. The Hello Fresh is higher in carbs than I'd like but it'll do for now.
Miraculum

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Posted: 18 May 2018, 20:16
golfpsycho wrote:
I have been trying to eat Keto for a couple months, but it ends up just being LCHF, and I have sabotaged myself by having a weekly cheat day when I meet friends for lunch. Even so, I have lowered my A1C from 6.6 to 5.6, and lost 35 lbs. My average carbs for the 2 months as been 44 gms per day ... gross. Net is much lower as fiber is subtracted. I'm sure it would work even better if I can maintain the standards and eliminate cheat days.


The results are what's important. Your A1c and weight loss are great rewards for your efforts. I have a hard time getting below 35-40g carbohydrate/day -- not counting today! Keep up the good work! It's paying off!
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Nidoqueen

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Posted: 21 May 2018, 09:10
I've not been on a strictly "Keto" diet, but I follow the LCHF way of thinking and began by slowly reducing my carbs. I was an addict. I was consuming 200-300g carbs a day... so I started at limiting myself to 100g of carbs and have worked my way down to 20-30g per day. In 12 weeks, I've lost 25 lbs. But here's the part you are most interested in...

12 weeks ago, my A1C was 10.4. My average morning blood sugar levels were 286. I take Glipizide, Januvia, and a weekly shot of Truluvia. For years, nothing good happened with the medications and my A1C kept rising.

Today, my 30-day average blood sugar reading is 99. I've seen beautiful numbers below 75 on several occasions. The only real thing I changed about my diet was reducing the carbs (granted, that changed *everything* about my diet...) but I feel better, have more energy, less mental fog, and most of all, just plain healthier.

I am scheduled to have my A1C checked again the first week of June and I absolutely cannot wait! I am excited for this blood test like I haven't ever been before. I am still over 200lbs and have a long way to go, but I'm on the right track. If you can go full Keto, go for it and you won't be sorry. If you can't (and I can't right now), at least get those carbs down.

For me, this is not a diet. This is a lifestyle. I spend my weekends now testing recipes to completely change out my "regular repertoire" with new, low carb healthier foods. My family is undergoing the transition with me (they have no choice, I'm the only one who can cook!) For me, Joseph's brand flatbreads have been the game changer. With 4-6 net carbs per serving, I can have sandwiches and wraps to my heart's content.
golfpsycho

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Posted: 21 May 2018, 09:55
" Right now doing OMAD and not worrying too much about the carbs for now. "

Carbs are what matters when trying to impact BG. Calorie counting doesn't benefit you until fine tuning things down the road. You don't realize what a habit eating in front of the TV, eating from boredom has become, until you get enough fat into your diet to realize your not even hungry, why are you looking in the fridge? Cutting carbs, or adding fat isn't hard. Changing the way you think about food is the trick.
Sparks1971

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Posted: 21 May 2018, 11:53
Nidoqueen wrote:

12 weeks ago, my A1C was 10.4. My average morning blood sugar levels were 286. I take Glipizide, Januvia, and a weekly shot of Truluvia. For years, nothing good happened with the medications and my A1C kept rising.

Today, my 30-day average blood sugar reading is 99. I've seen beautiful numbers below 75 on several occasions. The only real thing I changed about my diet was reducing the carbs (granted, that changed *everything* about my diet...) but I feel better, have more energy, less mental fog, and most of all, just plain healthier.


Thank you for that! I was really hoping to hear that someone had real success with LCHF/Keto in regard to their blood sugar.
Mechman2

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Posted: 22 May 2018, 08:46
Sparks1971 wrote:
I'm looking for a little hope, please? Is there anyone here that has/had type II diabetes that was able to improve their A1C or even reverse their diabetes with a keto lifestyle?


I am a type 2 diabetic and have been on a low carb diet now (with a few slip ups over the years) since 2011. The last few years my A1C has averaged about 5.0 to 5.2. I was able to lose 60+ pounds. Low carb plus exercise (especially resistance exercises) will lower you bG and A1c alot.

I was really scared when I found out I was diabetic (at age 42), but have learned over the years that type 2 diabetes can be controlled through diet and exercise - there does not have to be progression to the disease....
Matthew
Mechman2

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Posted: 22 May 2018, 08:57
abbadabba wrote:
Here's the thing. The number one reason that medical advice and prescriptions don't work is that the patient refuses to comply. Hopefully some people who have lowered their blood sugar will tell you how it is working for them.


With some diseases (like say taking an antibiotic for an infection) this is true. For type 2 diabetes though the problem is medicine treats the symptoms (increased bG) but not the cause (being unable to handle carbs, increased insulin, etc.) Doctors almost always will say diabetes is a progressive disease because for 95% of diabetics it progresses (more and more drugs as a result), but most do not really deal with the root causes by lowering carb intake, more exercise (which helps move the glucose out of the muscle cells to be used as fuel, but also gives new bG in the blood a place to go), etc.
abbadabba

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Posted: 22 May 2018, 10:25
@Mechman2 What I am trying to say is that doctors often do give the prescription of meds, low carb intake, more exercise but patients just won't follow the instructions of low carb intake and more exercise. I am speaking as the friend of a cardiologist who said his patients would rather take more and more less effective medication than change their lifestyle (healthy diet and exercise). Also noting that some people continue to eat flat out sugar as diabetics and don't stop even as their insulin (or whatever) med goes higher and higher. My grandmother died of complications of diabetes because she would not change her diet at all. Ice cream every day until the end.
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