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Draglist

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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 11:46
Hi gang. NorthernMusician, I know you can help with this. Anybody else? I'm doing the 16:8 fast and not eating until noon, but recently I've been having trouble getting the brain started in the morning to do fully productive work. Today I ate an apple at 9am and I was in better shape than I have been recently. When you do the "Bulletproof" -type coffee with MCIT and butter, is that really able to provide morning energy without alerting the body to exit the fat burning zone? (How would one even know?) I want to stick with 16:8, at least on most days. I can pull off the physical part with no problem, but my brain feels the effects of the 12 hour fast and I'm looking for a good food hack to buy me the best of both worlds. Thanks, Bill
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kingkeld

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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 11:59
Hey Bill...
I find it strange to hear that you don't find much energy in the mornings. I have OODLES of it, even on days where I didn't sleep well. Once I'm up and going, there is no stopping.
Are you still following IIFYM along with 16:8? If so, are you making sure to hit your macros, to optimize your carb intake? Carbs give you energy, remember? Also, are you going with the recommended calorie intake? Remember, if you go too low, you will not only lose muscle, but also not have many carbs available, and thus not as much energy.
I know that you know these things, but sometimes we stray from the beaten path. Just a friendly reminder.
Hope you're doing good, my friend!
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 13:44
I have no troubles in the morning either and I do the 16/8. For a bit I'm sort of hungry but it passes. I drink a couple of cups of coffee in the morning but I drink it black. I've read about that and the bullet proof coffee but I've also read that it breaks your fast. Are you drinking enough water? Have you tried working out or going for a walk?
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 13:55
Thanks, Keld and Packrat. If anyone has insight into the coffee thing, please let me know.
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mrspackrat

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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 14:01
Hey, I found this about "transitioning" to a fasting pattern of eating. Have you been fasting long? That could play a factor in addition to what you are eating during your feed window during this transition. Either way, it's a good little clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh0LclDcE1Y
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 14:25
Hi. I have been doing 16:8 successfully for months. But I'm looking for a little more brainpower in the morning. Hoping for specific info on the coffee. Thanks again for your assistance!
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 14:39
Brainpower... The CNS (Central Nervous System) feeds on fats for energy, I'm not 100% sure on your dieting scheme, but whole eggs are a good source of not only good fats, but also protein from the whites and Branch chain amino acids which your muscles use for energy. Whole Eggs are also relatively low calorie.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 14:47
Thank you for the good information about whole eggs. I've been eating egg whites with a tiny bit of yolk on account of cholesterol issues.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 15:07
Thanks, Chad. My dieting scheme is not to eat anything before noon that is going to exit me from the fat burning zone of a 16:8 fast. I know that some folks use coconut oil and butter in coffee for some of those fats, but my question is, does anyone have any confidence/knowledge that eating that (or something else) will not force your body to start pumping insulin?
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chadlius88

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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 15:30
The glycemic index for eggs is literally zero. They have no affect on insulin response. Coconut oil is considered to have a slightly negative affect on insulin response, as in when mixed with foods that may induce a very slight response it can negate it, or at the very least reduce it. Butter contains no carbohydrates either, so no affect on insulin.

Insulin is created to counter increases in blood sugar. If there are no carbs in a food, no sugar can possibly be added to your blood from it, therefore, no insulin.

CERTAIN proteins can be converted to sugars by the liver in special cases, but you would have to eat more protein than humanly possbile in a single day for the amount of sugar to cause a response. (this all comes from 'The protein book'Wink
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 15:53
Thanks. That's great info!
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mrspackrat

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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 16:29
Draglist, I had heard that the calorie range should be under 30 or 40ish but anything over that you may break your fast. The butter and coconut oil, while great for your brain, may just break your fast. Like I posted earlier, there are thoughts on both sides. I read in "Mark's Daily Apple" that it's not really suggested due to the calories but if you find something more solid to the contrary let us all know. I love coconut oil in my coffee but don't do it for fear it will break my fast.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 17:47
I can't stress the importance of drugs enough. (Ha. Heard you all gasp. I'm a musician and I'm alive in my 50s.) Caffeine, man. It's proven to increase mentle acuity and makes the body store glycogen in muscle tissue faster. I start every day with a quad shot of espresso. I bought myself a 4 cup Bialetti pot. It makes 8 oz. in one fell swoop and it only uses as much coffee as most people use for a 10 cup pot! Very Happy Coffee is my preworkout boost and a quad shot of espresso is the chaser with my post workout shake (or is that shakes). Espresso was introduced to me (yes, introduced... it has a personality) by a 5' 6" drummer who's on edge all day long. He reminds me of Animal from the muppets. Once you're used to it, it's a must have! There's a lot of hate out there surrounding coffee. The medical community flip flops on it about every 6 months.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 18:13
I have to wonder how much age factors into all of your information. I know what worked for me at 20 didn't at 40 and definitely doesn't at 58.... I eat a huge breaky (well what I consider huge) and get sick / shakey if i don't but I finish eating around 3 , I also wake up at 5 whereas I used to go to bed at 5 !!!
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 18:42
Thanks, all. I drink plenty of coffee every morning and like Mrs. Packrat, I've been reticent to put anything in it for fear of breaking the fast. I don't get enough sleep (EVER) and that no doubt has something to do with it. I think like most things out here, the answer I seem to be getting is find out what works for me.
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mummydee

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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 18:53
I've heard of others putting a tbspn of coconut oil in their coffee to get them thru the a.m.? I don't drink coffee so can't confirm this.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 18:58
Yes, they do. But my question (worry) is, will it pop me out of my fasted state? The jury seems to be out... (although I think Chad is saying -- with ample research -- that it does not).
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 18:59
When do you work out? Maybe doing something to get the blood flowing a bit. I've been messing around with my exercise routine the past few weeks. I purposely skipped one morning before work and immediately felt a little slower than usual. So now I'm just doing a quick jog instead of skipping completely. Days I do an intense workout in the morning are when I feel the best. I've done that in a fasted state and done okay, but currently trying to get a little snack in before weight training to see if that improves my muscle gains. You'll figure it out I'm sure, all part of the process. I sure wish there were easy answers or that things were cut and dry!
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Posted: 02 Apr 2014, 19:05
Thanks. I work out in the morning on the weekends, but I do not (will not) get up early during the week to do it. I appreciate all the responses. I will do the research and if I find an answer I'll post it here.
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kingkeld

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Posted: 05 Apr 2014, 01:28
In regards to the coconut oil in the morning coffee...

I know that "2 Meal Mike", who wrote the book "2 Meal Solution", which I find to be a LOT of good info on intermittent fasting and working out, is a firm believer in a scoop of coco-oil in the coffee.

He feels that it gives a boost large enough that it is actually worth breaking the fast for it.

Inspired by this, I decided to try it, but I felt absolutely no change. I did it for a few days to see if anything changed, but it didn't. Anyone wanna buy an almost full jar of coconut oil? Smile

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"Losing weight is never about eating as little as possible"
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"You wouldn't worry so much about what others think of you if you realized how seldom they do.
― Eleanor Roosevelt
"Do. Or do not. There is no trying."
- Master Yoda.

I went from morbidly obese to being the owner of TABDIG - a weight loss coaching service that helps people worldwide losing weight. It's been an amazing journey. From October 4th 2010 to April 3rd 2012 I lost half my body weight - 80 kilos/170 lbs. Since then, I have had two cosmetic surgeries to remove excess skin. I have now quadrupled my strength, gained several kilos in muscle mass, and today I focus on building muscle, optimizing my diet, living healthy and helping people to reach the very same goals. I am stronger, healthier, thinner, happier! If you feel that you need help losing weight, don't hesitate to send me an inbox message.



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