Dieting – Is It The Right Thing To Do

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puhpine

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 05:10
i do not understand the distinction between 1. and 2. they go together!

You have to do 1. to get the weight off, but to keep it of you have to 2. if you only do 2. (meaning eating exactly the kcalories for maintenance, or else you would be dieting) you stay the same weight, if you only do 1. (eating less kcals without serious lifestyle changes) you will gain it back again...

correct me if im wrong KingKeld...

maud.
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DancerToo

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 05:29
Not wrong. But think about this, just start with "2" (maintenance) and you will know if you are willing to make this kind of life change. You will lose weight anyway and it will not require your life to turn upside down for x number of weeks or months as it would when you are dieting. Life is too good to occupy yourself 24/7 with your body size, shape and even vitality. Be kind to your body every step of the way. Get healthy, stay healthy, be healthy. Life is not a sprint, it is a really, really long marathon -- so just start your health journey with "maintenance" in food and exercise.
puhpine

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 06:12
i do know one reason hardly anybody comes to FS to say they kept it off is because FS is a tool, and they don't need to come here anymore to tell us...
my friend used FS two years back she still lost the weight... ok is not 5 years yet, but she is doing fine...
So all we hear here are the fail-stories... or the long term offenders like me Smile

maud.

ps: always good to define terms before argument.

diet: The kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats.
In my opinion this does not necessarily restricts foods. But in your definition it does, so we'll go from that...

Healthy eating means consuming the right quantities of foods from all food groups in order to lead a healthy life.

If a healthy life is a life where the subject does not weigh 226 pounds (and counting) , how can you not restrict foods? in order to lead the so called healthy life you have to adjust the right quantities of the foods you eat. i still think that is the same as calling it a diet.

ps if i annoy you in any way, please feel free to kick me anytime, and i'll shut up. (*lol*)

maud.
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saratyler

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 07:01
My below responses are soley MY opinion in regards to the questions posed.

1. I feel that "exercise" can be as simple as - walking, push-ups, squats, crunches, sit-ups, and dancing. Any activity at all will help to lose weight/fat/inches from our bodies. Doing home exercises doesn't require one to possess a membership to a gym; for me, I recently joined the fitness center at my place of employment - in doing so, I found that I don't have any excuses to NOT exercise, where, say, if I had to drive 20 minutes to a fitness center, I'm less likely to participate.

2. I also know that I needed to include changing my eating habits - prior to beginning my weight/fat/inches journey, I would eat simply because I was bored. Not only that, but, what I was eating was not a healthy choice - chips with dip, cinnamon buns, candies, you name it (if it was readily available, I was chowing down). I made the decision to use FS as a tool. I've learned from reading other people's journals, food diaries, and forums that have been providing excellent advice. By using FS, I am holding myself accountable where I know today, I've got 1500 calories to spend - by utilizing what is being offered, I'm choosing to make healthier food choices. I knew starting this journey that what I was doing and what I was eating, was extremely deterimental to my health.

In my opinion, it's a lifestyle change - being told that I'm prediabetic, at a high risk of cancer, and heart disease from my weight and my bad habits, I know that I needed to do something before it was too late.

So, in closing, for me, I started with #2 - changing my eating habits and then incorporating exercise.

***This is solely MY opinion***
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Hoser

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 07:48
Some diets are better at others than preparing people for life after a strict regimen. If your diet is primarily shakes or prepared meals then you're kinda screwing yourself when it comes to maintenance. If your diet consists of eating in a way that you wouldn't want to follow long-term then you're also screwed though possibly a bit less so.

If your diet is a reality-based lifestyle change that you can maintain, but with additional restrictions for keeping you "under budget", then that's a different story. The process of making mindful and considered choices about food prepares you to keep doing that in the future.

I could never be a low carb diet, because I would hate eating that way for the rest of my life. I couldn't do diet shakes because yuck! What I can do that works for me is to eat mostly real, natural food rather than food products and to eat reasonable quantities. Doing this as a diet helps me develop good habits and eating patterns for the rest of my life.

You notice the "mostly" in there? It's there for a reason. If I want ice cream I have some, but I have a small amount and make sure that it's so exquisitely delicious that it's worth it to me. When a friend offers me a cupcake at their birthday party then I'll happily choose one and savor it, but I'll probably eat somewhat conservatively for the rest of the day. Not putting anything on the forbidden list means that I can learn to eat even unhealthy treats in moderation.

Tonight I found myself in a Walgreens at about 2 a.m. I wanted a snack and something to drink while we were waiting for a couple of people to come join us. I grabbed a bottle of unsweetened iced tea, then turned around and surveyed the snack collection. The baked goods were right out, since nothing that comes wrapped at a drugstore is going to meet my quality standards. I eyed the chips skeptically, and saw that the bags that sort of looked like single servings actually contained three servings and 450 calories. I was about to skip the snack when I spotted a bag of freeze-dried strawberries. I checked it out. The bag was a single serving for 100 calories, and the ingredients list had exactly one item-- "dried strawberries". I had feared that I would find added sugar, and was delighted when I found none. There were no unpronounceable chemicals or weird additives. I generally try to avoid foods in packages with brand names, but this one passed my vetting. As it turns out, nothing can compare with fresh ripe strawberries but these were still quite tasty and worth the hundred calories I spent on them.

There you have it-- a diet that's also a lifestyle change.
Chickturu

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 16:00
Very interesting post!

I would say first of all that 'diet' to me means a specific set of rules that tell you what you can eat or not eat, and when (At what times during the day). This of course is not a definition I found in Wikipedia, but my own concept of the word DIET because this is how I saw it when my mom and aunties were in a diet when I was a child; and later on when I myself started dieting being a teenager. I even went to a 'nutritionist' that was popular for giving a diet and some magical drops that will also help you lose weight. Usually those diets were consisting on specific meals and sizes, but none of them mentioned the calories factor. Ever.


When I joined FS I started writing in my journals about my new 'regimen'; the reason for calling it like this is because I don't feel I'm doing a diet (not in the concept I explained above). I'm eating aaaalmost whatever I want (including chips and chocolates) - the only exception so far have been tortillas, mainly because I don't have any and they are quite expensive here, but also because I find it really difficult to eat only 1 or 2. I am also drinking alcohol when "needed". As you correctly mention in your post, the younger you are the more likely you are to be in contact with situations that involve alcohol.

Now, with regards to exercise... For me there are no excuses: I am lazy. I can say that I work a lot and have duties and all that is true; but it is also true that I soo enjoy being lazy from time to time. Although my dad is a sporty person and he really tried hard to get me into sports, I never really got in. I did sports only at school and when I needed to lose weight (meaning I did them only for 1 or 2 months).

I have tried to exercise more since around a year ago. This time the motivation was different, it was a matter of health. Unacceptably high stress levels made me realize that I needed a way to let go all the negative emotions and sports was the way for doing so. Turned out that I found exercises that I can enjoy, and then it has been easier to do them (although I still struggle with my laziness). And yes, this definitely needs to be a lifestyle as well.

Well after this long story my answer to the question 'Is dieting the right thing to do?' is, that I believe it is not the right thing to do. I think if it helps someone as a temporary solution, then it is fine. But dieting your whole life might be very frustrating and difficult to achieve. I think, however, that dieting for a couple of weeks/months to lose all the extra weight, and then from then on turn to 'healthy habits' - and this is not dieting, then I guess it is fine.

Vickie 5966

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 16:30
This is an absolutely brilliant post IMO Bwy. Thank you!

Personally, I'm going with door #2. I've done door #1 many many times during my life. It was something I couldn't sustain and wouldn't start again when things started to get out of hand.

My approach has been what Hoser posted when she said "If your diet is a reality-based lifestyle change that you can maintain, but with additional restrictions for keeping you "under budget", then that's a different story." I can't say for a fact that this works and it's permanant. I do know though that 6 months in I'm not feeling deprived and feeling like I can't wait for it to be over. I have the occasional mini-splurge and the even more rare massive splurge. I plan for them and don't feel guilty when I do it. I'll admit that the times that frustrate me are when I fall back into old eating habits without thinking about it. I've had a couple 'emotional eating days' that made me frustrated with myself.

I like the tool that FS is. It's helping me be real about what I'm consuming. I'm enjoying finding foods that DH and I both like and finding healthier ways to prepare them. I'm enjoying having the occasional couple of cookies rather than a handful of them for breakfast. I'm truly enjoying what I'm eating and not suffering thru it temporarily. The weight is coming off very slowly...but I've always had a wonky metabolism. And truthfully, I've been pretty sedentary for way too long. As the weight comes down though, it's feeling easier for me to move.

Again Bwy, thank you!
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mrspackrat

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 18:14
I did 2, I changed my way of eating (lifestyle change). I don't live at the gym, I don't even have a gym membership. Lost the weight as as far as I'm concerned there no wagon to fall off of. I'd never go back to the way I used to eat.
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Hoser

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 20:04
@Bwy39 In fact, I do weigh or measure almost all of my food right now... that's the temporary restriction part. Actually, I only sort-of weigh or measure it, but I've gotten quite good at estimating portion sizes for the things I eat most often. If I'm cooking with butter I can easily cut off a teaspoon or a tablespoon without measuring, for example, or pour a tablespoon of oil in the pan without measuring. I learned how to do this by measuring and looking carefully at what the results were until I recognized the visual pattern of a specific amount.

I also know when it is or isn't important to measure my food. A half cup of blueberries is 42 calories, so I can just grab a handful that's sort of in the range and I'm fine-- even if I'm over by a factor of 2 then that's only an extra 42 calories. If I'm off by 20% then it's only plus or minus eight calories, and that's well within the noise of any volume-based measurement anyway.

I can't be neurotic about measurement, since that would just drive me crazy. Mindful is good enough for me.

Oh, and I'm having pizza with a friend tonight. I'll have a reasonable serving of it, and that's just fine.
wholefoodnut

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Posted: 08 Mar 2014, 21:26
Just speaking for me. I'm not "on" a diet. I've just gone back to eating the foods I like and cooking how I like to. I'm careful about portions. My Ortho doc told me to avoid a knee replacement to lose 50 pounds and to start exercising including both cardio and strength. I'm trying to make exercise a routine part of my life, am not there yet. Exercise makes me feel so much better but it is not yet fitting into my life comfortably. Not so much for weight but for my overall health. I love to cook, garden, and whole foods have been part of my life since the early 70's. I have cut back on beer and wine and I've also mostly cut out sugar and full fat dairy. I've lost a bit over 45 pounds, am exercising, the pain from old injuries, including my knee has decreased dramatically. My gp doc wants me to keep up the exercise to also strengthen my lungs. I eat anything I choose but am mindful of balancing out my week's intake.

Enjoy the summer and the sunshine.

Jeri
MrsTofu

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Posted: 09 Mar 2014, 18:15
What is interesting to me as an amateur linguist is the use of the word "diet".

It's sort of a pet peeve for me to see words with broader literally meanings sort of hijacked by a particular common use to the exclusion of other facets of the definition. "Diet" is a good example of this, IMO.

I believe diet just refers to food consumption, medically or scientifically speaking. However, culturally it seems to mean a practice out of the ordinary for impacting weight/ body comp. I don't like this because it sort of makes diet a "dirty word". Not unlike political "correctness", it seems to miss the point and starts rabbit trails without contributing to substantial progress/ goal attainment. (Ironically I hope that statement doesn't do just that too much.)

IF your question is which is better:

-to superficially impose a certain set of habits/ rules for the end purpose of reaching a specific, single dimensional goal (i.e, a certain weight)?

OR

-restructure your habits holistically to promote a better ongoing, condition overall?

THEN:
I believe the answer is the latter, hands down because the former is not a matter of health but vanity (both in terms of pride and futility).

What I wanted to share, besides those observations is two ideas that came to mind reading the previous comments.

A) You absolutely CAN lose weight, and more importantly lose weight in a healthful way, by changing your WOE ONLY...it's just a lot slower that way than if you are supplementing a healthful WOE with increased, safe/ smart physical activity.

B) I was thinking of the hijack aspect of the definition of "diet" because I see from time to time people abusing structured diet protocols to manipulate their "progress". If the goal is purely weight loss, then there are 101+ BAD ways to do it at varying rates. However, if the goal is improved health, it confounds me to see people doing reckless things to get there. That doesn't make sense to me, but it's common because I know it appears faster and it caters to people's impulsivity or other vices. I realize that some may feel that the end justifies the means, but it seems to me that is faulty reasoning because they are at odds, like gambling/ playing the lotto to get out of debt.

I am glad that FS is an relatively open, supportive community. Usually when I see a Jane/John Doe admitting or boasting to reckless behavior, several other members will call that person on it. You can't make someone listen if they don't want to, so I am not surprised these admonitions often go disregarded by the recipient, but at least passersby are getting better info so largely the focus here seems to really be on having a healthy lifestyle, however that may look in different people's lives.
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wholefoodnut

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Posted: 09 Mar 2014, 20:08
Mrs tofu, I agree that's why I put on a diet in quotes.

Enjoy the summer and the sunshine.

Jeri
MrsTofu

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Posted: 09 Mar 2014, 20:42
wholefoodnut wrote:
Mrs tofu, I agree that's why I put on a diet in quotes.


Sad Yeah. I sort of wish I knew if/ how it would be possible to hijack the word back to its neutral meaning instead of just letting the people who want to distort or negatively connote the word for their own foolish uses and run with it. *whine, whine, grumble, grumble, moan* Sad
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wholefoodnut

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Posted: 09 Mar 2014, 21:01
No idea. Diet to me is the original definition indicating the foods that people or animals consume. Not one of these fad oriented restrictive ways of eating with the sole purpose to lose weight, most of them are unhealthy for a sustainable way of eating.

Enjoy the summer and the sunshine.

Jeri
puhpine

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Posted: 10 Mar 2014, 10:05
i admit in all your terms and explanations to have a diet. I must also admit to the fact i have involuntary indulgence days (binging) But i blame that to the fact my nutritional guidelines are not perfect fr me yet, so i adjust the nutritional factors until i find something that works for me.

However in order to get this perfect nutritional guidelines, i try to use the health guidelines used by various countries, this site, people i trust, nutritionist, doctor and many many more resources. In order to keep up this new lifestyle i have to write everything down i eat, weigh myself, review, adjust, write down etc etc. So in your words and definition a diet. However, i am at the same time eating healthy, because that is the whole purpose of my diet.

So i still don't see why using guidelines (a diet), cannot be healthy eating? Or why healthy eating cannot be measured and monitored.


Finally, you make an off topic remark about people integrating sports into their lifestyle. I lost about 23 kilos of mainly fat. I still have about 23 kilos to go. I figured how else am i gonna fill up all that ugly loose skin? I am 40-something years old, i still have about 30 good years to go before i have to quit the active lifestyle. Whatever happens after that, (if i live long enough to see those days) i have already won my battle, for if i stayed 113 kilos i would be dead within 30 years...

maud.


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chadlius88

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Posted: 10 Mar 2014, 10:34
I lost my initial 34 pounds through a lifestyle change. That includes both diet and exercise. I do not follow a commercial diet because you would never stick to that for the rest of your life. Eating all whole foods and well balanced meals coupled with an active lifestyle (my choice is to lift weights and do cardio at the gym, you could remain active in a billion different ways depending on your lifestyle, area you live in, activities available to you etc.).

The truth is if you do not eat a healty well-balanced diet and remain active, what happens is you go back to the way you were before you started, so once you do it, you have to stick to it for life.
elenamarie50...

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Posted: 10 Mar 2014, 10:44
MrsTofu wrote:
What is interesting to me as an amateur linguist is the use of the word "diet".

It's sort of a pet peeve for me to see words with broader literally meanings sort of hijacked by a particular common use to the exclusion of other facets of the definition. "Diet" is a good example of this, IMO.

I believe diet just refers to food consumption, medically or scientifically speaking. However, culturally it seems to mean a practice out of the ordinary for impacting weight/ body comp. I don't like this because it sort of makes diet a "dirty word". Not unlike political "correctness", it seems to miss the point and starts rabbit trails without contributing to substantial progress/ goal attainment. (Ironically I hope that statement doesn't do just that too much.)

IF your question is which is better:

-to superficially impose a certain set of habits/ rules for the end purpose of reaching a specific, single dimensional goal (i.e, a certain weight)?

OR

-restructure your habits holistically to promote a better ongoing, condition overall?

THEN:
I believe the answer is the latter, hands down because the former is not a matter of health but vanity (both in terms of pride and futility).

What I wanted to share, besides those observations is two ideas that came to mind reading the previous comments.

A) You absolutely CAN lose weight, and more importantly lose weight in a healthful way, by changing your WOE ONLY...it's just a lot slower that way than if you are supplementing a healthful WOE with increased, safe/ smart physical activity.

B) I was thinking of the hijack aspect of the definition of "diet" because I see from time to time people abusing structured diet protocols to manipulate their "progress". If the goal is purely weight loss, then there are 101+ BAD ways to do it at varying rates. However, if the goal is improved health, it confounds me to see people doing reckless things to get there. That doesn't make sense to me, but it's common because I know it appears faster and it caters to people's impulsivity or other vices. I realize that some may feel that the end justifies the means, but it seems to me that is faulty reasoning because they are at odds, like gambling/ playing the lotto to get out of debt.

I am glad that FS is an relatively open, supportive community. Usually when I see a Jane/John Doe admitting or boasting to reckless behavior, several other members will call that person on it. You can't make someone listen if they don't want to, so I am not surprised these admonitions often go disregarded by the recipient, but at least passersby are getting better info so largely the focus here seems to really be on having a healthy lifestyle, however that may look in different people's lives.


Yes, I also agree with you . Smile
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Posted: 20 Mar 2014, 22:45
I was in a treatment program that changed my lifestyle 13 years ago and for some reason decided to ignore the rising number on my scale in the past 8 years. So another lifestyle change which includes clean eating, hopefully organic, with no sugar or flour. I also do cardio for an hour and weight train for half an hour.

Everyone in my family has diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, sleep apnea, and heart problems. My 53 yo brother had a heart attack last year and I finally woke up. I loathed myself in photos and knew thats what I had to look like in real life and I felt like a big blob. I knew I had to do something or soon I too, would be on a lot of medications.

I have to do this for the rest of my life. I don't feel deprived if I don't let myself have a donut. Empty calories feed disease inside the body. I shudder at what I've eaten in the past, not knowing if it has done any damage since you cant see inside your body until something drastic happens. This is my recovery and I don't have a middle road unless I choose illness. That's me and not everyone is like that. I am and I own it.
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wholefoodnut

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Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 05:02
Puhpine, why so you assume you will have to quit an active lifestyle at 70? I'm 64, plan on staying as active as my health allows as long as possible. That's the why for losing my extra pounds that snuck in and exercising most days. Many people are active, exercise, and healthy well into their nineties. It's often when they decide they are too old to do things and quit, like a few friends of mine have, that their health declines follow.

Enjoy the summer and the sunshine.

Jeri
fatloser12

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Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 07:31
Bwy39 wrote:


Here on FS I read so much about people “dieting”. There are so many different “diets” being quoted some claiming them to be fantastic other saying the do not work.

I go in search of information only to discover not hundred but thousands of offers for a different “diet” all guaranteed to work, some with even money back guarantees.


I then read of FS members losing pound after pound but reading on I see they spend hour after hour in the Gym with their life revolving around getting in the Gym for the “work Out”.

One thing I do notice on FS is the number of members who tell us they “fell off the wagon” for whatever reason. I see stories about members attending a social event or party then regretting their decision to eat whatever it was the next day.

All this leaves me with the thought of what happens when they stop the “DIET”.
Do we rush off to the nearest restaurant and have that fantastic dinner we have longed for whilst on the “diet”.
Do we stop weighing in every week or day?

From all I have read or heard from friends the answer is yes we do.

We only need read the journals on FS which tell us things like:-

“Three years ago I managed to lose 40 lbs but have put it all back on so joined FS.”

“Since I had my baby I have put on 30 lbs”

“My friend just can not lose weight no matter what “

And many other similar posts all indicating that at some point the person was “dieting” and possibly exercising but then stopped.

So the question I ask today is this:-

1. Which is better to diet the weight off with exercise for set periods of time during your life.

Or

2. Change your eating habits’ to a healthy eating program for the rest of your life

Each will have it’s own pro’s and con’s and much will depend on your age as the younger you are the more you will socialise with alcohol being a big factor in your life.

Readers, please understand I am in no way advocating that one is better than the other I am just putting something on FS in the hope I can generate some interesting views and discussions.





Dieting is one of the true method for weight loss. But it depends that what type of diet you choose for changing your eating habit because sometime it becomes the cause of starvation.
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