Labs totally out of whack

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ClassicRocke...

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 18:50
Doctor called and said my labs are ridiculously high for losing weight. Asked about protein levels and told him I was doing high protein low carbs. He said that could very well explain the blood urea nitrogen level or BUN. Too high. High protein diets will cause a spike in this lab. He said this is where they say that diets too rich in protein also affect the kidneys.

My cholesterol is up to 195. Last time, 6 months ago it was 166. LDL at the high end of normal. HCL is perfect at 59 as are my triglycerides at 47.

He suggested I incorporate some other carbs and cut back on the protein. I told him about eating eggs and lots of fat everyday and he said I needed to cut back and to do oatmeal, etc., and to check my diet in general and make adjustments.

He's been behind me the whole time while dieting and says I'm one of two of his patients who have lost weight "the old fashioned way", and doesn't want me to stop losing until I've reached my goal. At the same time he doesn't want me to do any damage to my kidneys in the process.

Crap. Took a little getting used to doing high protein and low carb and now I'll have to regroup. Again.

Just need to sit back and figure out which direction I'll go in. Perhaps I'll eat my cookies, fruitcake and a fruit danish and I don't mean Keld. Laughing

Feel like saying to hell with it. That I'm going to eat and gain the required 10lbs during the holidays and begin anew the beginning of the year.

Made hubby take all the cookies and hide them down in the garage so I'll stay out of them.Rolling Eyes Sad, isn't it?


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micki13

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 19:17
ah crap, Classic, that's soddin' awful news! I'm sure you'll figure it out..you seem a persistent sort of person. Good luck with it!
and haha for the fruit danish comment Very Happy
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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 19:32
So...it depends on what kind of carbs you choose to eat. Oatmeal is good, fruits and veggies are good.
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mummydee

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 20:51
Okay, so you have to re adjust what you're eating, no big deal, just another learning curve in the road of life. You already know how to eat healthy just tweek, (not twerk! Razz) what you're eating. I had to eliminate grains., you maybe have to cut down on proteins, so it's oatmeal for breaky, maybe an egg here and there and a balanced protein/veggie for lunch and dinner. Keep the sweets hidden till you really truly want one and sit down and enjoy a good cuppa. then back to healthy again. Detours, life is all about detours... and sometimes they're a lot of fun! Enjoy the season. Quality, not quantity..
I would much rather indulge in one or two good decadent Belgium truffles, than a whole box of processed chocolate nicely packaged crap sold here. There's a test that buddhists do, they put a raisin on their tongue and see how long they can hold it there to completely and totally enjoy the flavor and sensation... do the same, take one wee bite and let it sit, melt, enjoy , savor it... that one truffle will last and last...
Glaun

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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 11:17
Hang in there Classic, we would miss your comments if you departed our ranks. I wish I had a magic bullet for all of us, but no, only the daily, monthly, and yearly grind to stay healthy.
Best advice for me was moderation in everything, even moderation.
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Yolanda9179

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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 12:54
I agree with above statements, just another learning curve. Don't forget about the big picture, and most definitely don't give up. You strike me as being way too strong for that. I hope you don't mind a small invasion of privacy, I was eyeballing your diet calendar. Your protein intake, too me, doesn't seem too high. I try to keep mine up in the 80-90 range to ensure I lose fat, not muscle. Your carbs are low, I think the doc just wants you to find that happy balance... so to speak. Fiber plays a huge roll in cholesterol levels, I won't bore you with the reasons why lol, but on low carb diets it's not unusual for cholesterol to go up. Focus more on increasing fiber than carbs, if you go to your preferences you can set it to track your fiber intake as well as carb, fat and protein. Changing that has helped me immensely. We are supposed to get around 25g of fiber daily. I eat high fiber oatmeal, which helps a lot, as well as sweet potatoes and sometimes a fiber supplement. Also eating lots of high fiber carbs slows digestion and eliminates blood sugar spikes, which we are all trying to avoid. More than likely none of this is news to you, but I thought I would share just in case. That would be my next move, if I was you. You are making amazing progress and motivate me daily, I know you will make it through all this with flying colors. As for the cookies... oatmeal raisin? Smile Keep your chin up!
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ClassicRocke...

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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 13:40
Thank you everyone for the guidance and support. I am fortunate that my triglycerides are so low, and diabetes isn't in my family. Surprising considering how we used to bake and eat. My grandmother would make 2 cakes/week and we'd knock them off. 5 in the family.

I am aware I need more fiber in my diet, but have been having gastro issues for several months now. But will add back the avocados and stock up on sweet potatoes. I love them baked. And cold. Yolanda... you reminded me. I do take a fiber supplement and need to start documenting it on a daily basis. Thanks for the mental shake.

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kkd1125

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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 14:41
Oh my gosh, the "fruit Danish" Keld comment made me laugh so hard I think I spit water at my computer! Good for you for taking your health seriously and facing these issues head on. I love your doctor for praising you for losing the old fashioned way. My doctor almost seemed incredulous last time she saw me and couldn't believe someone lost such a chunk of weight through just diet and exercise. I told her about Fat Secret and she said she would recommend it to her patients. Smile
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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 14:59
I think alot of doctors are honestly ignorant when it comes to weight control. They take one class on nutrition and that's it...and when someone does lose a considerable amount the "old fashioned way" they dont know what to do. They know what happens when you take a weight loss drug, or have surgery, but diet and exercise-not a clue. I personally dont think weight loss is a one size fits all kinda thing.
mummydee

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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 17:26
yes,,,,and just as we accepted the 'professionals' saying fat was the enemy from the 60's up till now and now new professionals say its sugar ( i agree) .... who made the #'s that made cholestrol High and low? who decided what was good and safe and what was acceptable?
I have a bad thyroid. When I was 19, I slept , i gained weight and I was totally lethargic.. they discovered it was my thyroid, okay, put me on meds and thats it for life .. right? NO! I found a naturopath that fed my pituitary that fed the thyroid and my dosage went down... i'd like to quit completely but dont have the nerve to do that, but my point is that the dr insists that every 6 months i get tested to renew my meds... He always suggests we go up .25 or down a little. It makes not one bit of difference to me or my weight or my energy level, but it keeps the labs and the drug co's and his billable hours in the $$$ Makes me sick!

So Yes I agree with Notjune... they take 4 weeks of nutrition here in Canada... and if they took it in the 60's or 70's or even the 90's are they up to date on the new studies? I think they don't like the fact that they are now being questioned and tested instead by their patients instead of revered as gods who know it all.
ClassicRocke...

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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 18:46
Mummy... wish I could agree that sugar is MY enemy. However, my triglycerides say differently. Going over my diet for the last day and still looking for the missing link. I admit to low fiber and know I've got to up it, which will begin once I get out of here and to the store. Damn ice and snow. Going back on avocados, flax and whatever else I find that will up my fiber. I think kkd said sweet potatoes too. But also adding more veggies that I wouldn't eat because of high carbs. Limas, carrots and others. I did lose weight in the past eating these things then hit the plateau and began "tweaking"Laughing my diet over and over again. I have 2 aunts that died of CVA's. But I admit to losing 45 lbs. when I was in my 20's on the old Atkins diet in the late 60's. I've got to try this to see if my numbers go down. If not, then it will be an education for my doctor and I'll have to find a natural plan to bring them down.

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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 22:16
It's not every day I'm being called "fruit". Very Happy

Sorry to hear about the trouble. I hope you find the levels that fit you best. It's always gonna be a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" kinda thing, I think. One week we're supposed to do one thing, next week another.

Obviously, you need to listen to your doctor - but also listen to your body. Challenge him on knowledge - he may not have been updated on weight loss for decades.


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Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 00:25
Crapola, I just want to forget all these numbers and come up with a good healthy diet. As to fiber I have been dragged, kicking and screaming, into the idea that modern processed food does not contain enough. I supplement with a pyllium husk fiber therapy supplement available at most chain or drug stores. Walmart brand is Equate.
ClassicRocke...

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Posted: 11 Dec 2013, 08:45
Keld... it is my intention to educate my doctor. He's my age but still has the "old school" way of thinking. He needs updating. Dieting in the beginning was easy and losing was a constant, then the body said, "oh hell, what's she doing to us", then threw on the brakes for loss. Thus, tweaking time and again. Frustrating.

bugz... I do a fiber supplement from Costco which is similar to Benefiber.

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Posted: 12 Dec 2013, 08:28
I am on lchf,lost 30lbs then stopped. realized I was getting too much protein and threw myself out of ketosis. not sure if you are going for that but too much protein and your body will process it back to sugar/fat had to tweak it a bit. just up your fat a bit so you stay about 20% protein. I try to eat at least half an avocado a day and weight is on the move again. don't get down and go for the cookies you've done so good keep it up its a fine line with carbs and protein. glad to see so many in this direction.



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