Starved before, want to starve again!

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Neocharin

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 05:54
Me
17|5'8"|Male|~170lb|Rather muscular

Goal
To lose a large (20lb) amount of weight in a very short time while still maintaining muscle throughout the process. No cardio.

History
I used to be really fat throughout my early childhood until one day I decided I was sick of the extra weight and everything bad that came with it. Throughout one summer vacation I pretty much starved myself (one peanut butter sandwich a day and lots of water) and lost 24+ pounds in under two months. Other than a day's required walking, I was sedentary. Sure it was hard, but I felt great by the end of it and didn't really experience anything that felt unhealthy (no significant muscle loss).

Present
Momentum carried me on to some heavy fitness which was mainly working out/resistance training. I've gained a lot of muscle but also a lot of fat. I've tried 'cutting', but realized that the two things I'm horrible at are dieting and running/cardio. Starving myself (limiting myself to cups of whey protein and peanut butter) has been on my mind lately but I feel I should ask around and see what I'm getting myself into.

Am I shortening my lifespan?
Even with daily workouts will my body eat my muscle in revenge?
I heard about intermittent fasting but it claims to be for those on the "trimmer" end of the spectrum, which I can guarantee you I'm not. Should I still do it?
What would you recommend that could be better?


Thank you for reading!
karlajanebri...

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 06:43
i am doing the same thing. i eat around 600 calories a day, for the past three weeks. i have lost 6kg so far, this week however nothing happened Sad not sure why.
corifeo

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 09:55
Am going to be the bearer of bad news your goal is not physically possible there is no other two ways around it.

If you lose a lot of fat FAST you’re going to lose a lot of muscle with it all you can do is try to minimize your muscle lose.

You can say there are three elements to fitness, your diet “the quality of the fuel in your body”, your cardiovascular “the size of your gas tank” and strength training “how powerful and efficient you engine is”. And you’re telling me you don’t want to do two out of three.

You would never buy a car with a V8 hemi with a one gallon gas tank now would you?

This is valuable information you need to know before cutting, what’s your body fat percentage, what your body type,how much protein you need to eat every day to minimize your muscle lose.

There are no shortcuts in fitness none, the sooner you learn this the better and going to take time a lot of time to do it right.

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Neocharin

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 10:49
Ahh, I see. Thank you for the feedback. Your analogy and the link helped open my eyes to where my priorities should lie.

So there's no way, huh? I guess I'll have to wait until second semester (this is my senior year) before losing weight because I simply don't have time/energy for a healthy diet or cardio. Do you think it would be okay to have only two out of the three components of fitness? No cardio? I'm horrible at any sort of cardio and my legs cramp up almost instantly. I've got a very nice upper body build (big shoulders/traps/back and thick arms) but I skip leg day and am usually the last person to cross the finish line during PE.
NCNOLE

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 12:17
Is there any way you can just meet w/ a personal trainer, even for just one or two sessions. They could get you on an exercise plan. At your age, you should be able to do any form of exercise. Maybe, you could ask for it for the upcoming holiday? Just a thought. I'm 38 and wish someone had opened my eyes to the benefits of weight training when I was much younger b/c I would have been unstoppable! I love it now, but at 38 there are a few things I just can't do!
kingkeld

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 12:26
I'm with Corifeo on this. If you starve yourself you will lose a LOT of muscle mass. The key is to eat RIGHT. Losing weight is never about eating as little as possible.

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Glaun

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 12:40
Corifeo, Ncnole, and Kingkeid = Correct.
Best to follow their advice, should work for all normal dieters.

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ClassicRocke...

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 12:45
If you have time to eat, you have time to eat healthy. Takes no additional effort. IMHO.

Your legs... you've got to work your legs too. And it's just not cardio. There are so many simple exercises you can do. Go to BodyBuilding.com and check them out. Hundreds and hundreds of different exercises. You want an equally strong and balanced body.

With NC on strength training. I'm 62 and began it at 61. I exercised when in my 20's but it was isometric sort of exercise. Strength training, beyond a doubt is what we all need to do because it strengthens every part of our bodies. Inside and out.

Good luck.

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corifeo

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 13:44
Neocharin I see nothing wrong with concentrating on two out of three for now. But a healthy diet is going to have to be the cornerstone just start by doing little things at first and asking for advice. A bad diet will sabotage you more then not doing cardio and just keep working out/resistance training you’re having fun and that’s very important when it comes to changing your lifestyle and if you’re very new to resistance training you may want to get some advice on how to properly do them.

Now about your bad cardio, 99% of people do not have bad cardio there just out of shape and leg cramps come from not being properly hydrated most of the time, but that’s not that important for now just keep working out and start dieting.
zebdavison

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 16:05
Agree with what everyone is saying - really, diet is going to be the key for you, since you've already built a good base of strength. You can really make some easy initial weight losses just by substituting some bad food for good. Like dropping soda and/or energy drinks for water or something with zero calories. Keep track of what you're putting into your body, and it will be easy to identify which foods you can live without - they will be the ones that bump up your calorie intake, but provide little protein or vitamins to your system. Don't rush the weight loss, or you'll lose the muscle you worked so hard for. Here's an article Kingkeld shared before that addresses how to figure out how many calories you should be getting to lose fat, not muscle: http://baye.com/calculating-the-daily-calorie-deficit-for-maximum-fat-loss/

(But, seriously, don't skip leg day - you'll end up looking odd.)
zebdavison

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 16:54
Oh, about the cardio. While it will provide less tangible, immediate results for you - it's good, and important, to do at least some. I get that you don't like it, but think outside the box - you don't have to run, just do something that gets your heart rate up for at least 20 minutes every day. Maybe you'd like some of the crossfit routines? Or a brisk walk...
JasminEmeral...

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 18:39
On that diet there is no doubt that you will lose weight. It'll be tough (but you already know that since you've done it before) but it will happen. The problem is- the way it'll happen.
You'll get a day where you lose a lot then weeks of nothing, without any change to food or activity.
You'll get hungry and frustrated. There'll be headaches and and you'll have trouble sleeping.
Muscle loss is guaranteed to be a considerable part of the weight loss. But more serious will be the bone density you will lose.
Yes, you will shorten your life-span compared to if you had dieted healthy (but you will improve it compared to if you hadn't dieted at all).
I lost weight that way, the first time I dieted. I also used herbal weight-loss pills, they played hell with my whole digestive system. Sure i lost a lot, and it did stay off, but my studies suffered and i felt lousy more than i felt good.
If cardio's not your thing (not mine either), do resistance.
And the whole "fasting" thing is just another type of yo-yo diet.

So if you want to do it healthy: pick nutrient-rich foods, pay attention to your intake vs output, and eat regularly (every 3 hours).
Pretty much like everyone has said.

If you want it to happen fast and you don't care about much else, then it's your body, do what you want.
mummydee

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Posted: 09 Dec 2013, 18:45
Have a look at this video, very interesting and I know a few people on this site that do it. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xz2fwb_the-truth-about-exercise_lifestyle If you don't have 'time' for cardio or don't like it , it might be an alternative for you.
shmiller

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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 09:41
I love spinning for cardio because, if the resistance is high enough, I get the benefits of both cardio and resistance training (read, leg muscle development.) I know there are other cardio approaches that have the same benefits, but spinning (or "indoor cycling"Wink is my personal two-fer favorite. For me, though, this is true only if I really push myself beyond what I think I can do resistance-wise. And, almost always, I'm surprised at what I can accomplish and at the results.
"The grass ain't greener, the wine ain't sweeter, either side of the hill" The Grateful Dead
zebdavison

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Posted: 10 Dec 2013, 12:32
Very interesting video, mummydee. Worth watching the full hour. It very much supports the idea many of us have had that A) lots and lots of traditional cardio may not be necessary or even beneficial for everyone, and B) fitness and health is not a one-size-fits-all proposition. You've really got to figure out what works best for you.

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