Are you a "fattie"?

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mummydee

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Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 16:48
the FDA has no desire to keep you healthy. Like you say classic, it's all about $$ and the food industry, government lobbyists and the drug companies are all in bed together.

Just think what would happen if all of America started eating 'real foods' no fast foods at all... the farmers would go bust because they've put all their money into raising hormone charged animals that grow way to fast and can't even walk to the slaughter house. The grain farmers are so indebted to Monsanto now they'll never go back to natural grains and grow what they have to to support the fast food industry. The sugar and salt lobbyists keep greasing the palms of the gov't with fake or falsified studies and so the fat cats in Washington stay happy and in turn they keep the drug companies in business cause god forbid that we became a nation of healthy people! imagine that. They don't produce drugs to get you healthy, they produce drugs to keep you ill and in need.

Okay, i'll put away my soapbox now and go eat my brussel sprouts!
FullaBella

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Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 17:20
Awww... I was just gonna pop some corn... don't stop now ....


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mummydee

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Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 17:35
FullaBella wrote:
Awww... I was just gonna pop some corn... don't stop now ....


Corn no don't say corn...!Shock oh no, make sure it's not GMO'D,! probably is! step away from the micro girl, that third arm you're growing, don't worry, has nothing to do with our foodWink

roseomg

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Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 17:37
Hmm, on a semi related note, I live in the USA and today I heard a commercial on the radio that had menacing music in the background and went like this, "Are you overweight or obese? You don't need a fad diet or exercise.... You need a doctor. Call (the name of the hospital) today and get yourself sorted out. With the proper pills and operations our leading specialists will be on your side 100% of the way" (I'm paraphrasing a little bit here but that first sentence I pulled straight from the message)

So, essentially in USA doctors are flat out telling us through the air waves that we should not bother to watch what we eat or exercise and go straight for invasive surgeries and pharmaceuticals.

It is so backwards.
mummydee

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Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 17:49
just proves my point.....
ClassicRocke...

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Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 18:57
Sad.

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Scottdaddy

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Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 20:17
Sad
bugzbetty

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Posted: 23 Oct 2013, 04:56
The food industry is in the business of developing the least objectionable food so that the greatest number of people will eat it. That is the direct opposite of nutritious and/or flavorful. Food has to be bland so that we all stuff it in , thus making the manufacturer as much money as possible. And as a friend mentioned "surgeons cut". I may be cynical, but I always wonder who stands to profit. For the most part it's not me.
Rob.c.weiss

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Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 17:20
I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised by some of the responses here. I'm a little offended at this article, too. While I agree that obesity has become an epidemic in presumed "first world nations", and that some people probably do need a bit of an eye-opener, I find it odd that a doctor would use more-or-less one anecdotal patient as a basis for an all-around prescription for us all.

My big problem with this article is that it presumes that every one of us (from me to you, to your family, sisters and brothers) is the exact same person as this woman that came into his office. First, we are not all shot from the same cookie-cutting machine. While my problem is obesity, and your problem is obesity, I sincerely doubt that the underlying cause of our issues are the same.

Of course, there is some common thread. Obesity is a side-effect of the immense growth in availability of food sources for us, who are basically still wild animals only some 40 or 50 thousand years removed. We have some pretty heavy duty, hard-wired programming built into us that goes back millions of years, probably to our first mammalian ancestor at least, and probably to the reptiles before them. That programming says when food is available you eat, as you may never know when the next time will be that you will see it again. That's some pretty big stuff to fight.

You can try and simplify this whole thing in a nutshell and say eat less and move more. And there is no doubt those are true sentiments, but I think they completely deny that every person is different. They have different motivations, mental issues to work through, whatever. Stand 20 alcoholics up in a room next to each other, and I promise you that their stories, what drove them to drink, are all different. Why is it so hard to believe the same of each of us, who may not be alcoholics, but we struggle with whatever issues we may have that drive us to failure, despite our hardest work, our most dilligent efforts.

A doctor that prescribes by one anecdotal patient, I find reprehensible, and should not be a doctor. Doctors, of all people, should be aware that very often problems in two people that present the same, may not have the same cause at all. Beyond that, I don't think any one diet, any one proposed solution is right for everyone. I've known people who I 100% believe had their lives saved by surgery. I know still others, my brother for one, who would have been saved by it. I only wish we had known. Ok, sure, that solution is certainly not the best one for every one, and it still does not get to the core of the problem. But the core of the problem is programming buried very deeply within us, or the availability of food. I believe some people are able to work past that programming thing. But, can everyone? Are you so sure that everyone was stamped from enough of that same mold?
mummydee

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Posted: 26 Oct 2013, 07:33
I don't agree with your interpretation of the article. The writer gave one example from a dr but went on to state many more facts that backed his theory.
I also don't believe that we're hardwired to eat because we don't know where our next meal is coming from. No animals in the animal kingdom are overweight, they are what they are supposed to be, as nature intended. They do not kill twice on a day because the prey is there and gorge themselves, they eat what they need and if anything sometimes go hungry.

so why do people overeat? Why do we self indulge beyond what we need to survive? As you said we all have our own reasons but we are the only animals that do overindulge and we are suppose to be the superior race!

The food industry, laziness, advertising, convenience... there are tons of reasons why we have become a nation of obese people but the bottom line is we are the only ones that are in control of what and how much goes into our mouths on a daily basis.

If as you say, we are hardwired to eat like this, then why did the obesity epidemic not start until basically the 60's when the fast food industry was born? It has skyrocketed to what it is in only a short 50 years.
Rob.c.weiss

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Posted: 26 Oct 2013, 15:21
I wholly respect your opinion, and please don't think I don't. But I can't say I agree with you. You are basically helping me to make my point when you say animals "if anything sometimes go hungry". They don't go hungry because they want to--because they feel their putting on a few too many pounds. They go hungry because they can't find food. And no, it is not true that humans are the only animals to overeat. There have been numerous studies showing that when animals have an overavailability of food, they also get overweight--just like us. From mice, to goats, to fish, that has been studied many times, and always (in these studies) the results for individual subjects vary: one mouse may get severely overweight, while two get overweight, two or three gain some but not too much, and one or two others gain hardly any. Mice, just as humans, are not cookie cutter.

All of our brain function that might qualify us as a "superior race" is toward the front of the brain, the stuff that was added most recently as we have evolved. Toward the brain stem, the low brain functions, is where all the most basic hard-wired stuff is... breathing, blinking, digesting. Very close to the brain stem, where the really old "reptilian" stuff is, is our hunger and craving. Higher, superior race or not, we have the basic animal instincts still: the ones that are built-in to get us through tough times. Fight or flight is not taught, it is hard-wired. When an animal is terrified, and it is ready to flee, it often pees to release any extra baggage to make the run as fast as possible. Humans still do this. I've seen people lose it on a roller coaster. It is hard-wired. They didn't want to wet their pants... the programming takes over.

I'm not making excuses, and I am certainly not saying we can't fight it. What I am saying is that the people that have done it have done something truly exceptional. These are people that fought their inner nature and fought it hard. These are people that are--everyday--up against their built-in programming. It ain't easy, but it can be done. But, do I think that everyone can do it? I have no idea. How can I? I've never been in their shoes, precisely. And neither has this doctor. Everyone has a different level of that programming in them. You and I are not the same. Those mice in the study: there were a few that hardly gained anything. They've got it good. The one that became very obese? That's me... and working against evolution (or God?) is not an easy thing to do. Maybe it is possible that some people can never overcome it themselves. I have no idea. That doctor can't know either. Maybe there are people that need some outside help: surgery, or some other scientific aid. I don't know.

I just think this doctor has no right to shun science. I think this doctor has no right to say that everyone needs a kick in the pants. That we all fall under this very broad category. There are some that do, I don't doubt that. But we are not all the same, and any reasonably good doctor ought to know that.

Your question about the skyrocketing epidemic is an easy one to answer... the hyper-availability of cheap, unhealthy food. 50 and 60 years ago, there were no McDonald's on every corner, with dollar menus at the ready. There were no microwaves. Microwavable meals, and treats were not feasible. Most people couldn't keep things like ice-cream 60 and 70 years ago, because the most they had was an ice-box. Ice cream would have been a blob. Chocolate and candies were a lot more expensive than today, when you can get two candy bars for a dollar. Cheap, unhealthy food has become super-readily-available, and is what most people turn to when they are in a hurry. Which is always.
Mjgh06

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Posted: 26 Oct 2013, 15:33
I disagree with the article just for the fact that it presumes obesity is all about overeating and laziness. I for one have been considered obese, and never overate. I was exactly the opposite and would mostly eat only once a day and not that much. IMO, my obesity was due to medications and the SAD. I ate mostly what was considered healthy foods by America's standards and yet my weight continued to increase.

Something I think a lot of people overlooked in this article is in a study they referenced - "It showed that, while people back then were slimmer, they ate fattier foods and had access to far fewer gyms."

Finally I found a new doctor who talked to me about what he considered a more healthy diet. I have been on a high fat, low carb diet now for only 3 weeks and have already lost 20lbs. I haven't exercised or changed my life, just changed my way of eating, and to be honest I am eating more calories per day than I ever have in my entire life.

So to base obesity as a result of overeating and laziness just doesn't hold up in my opinion.
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Rob.c.weiss

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Posted: 26 Oct 2013, 15:42
Love it MJG! So true.

And I'm sorry, everyone. I apologize for getting preachy. Really didn't mean to. Can you tell it got under my skin a bit?

This article just has the feel of a "kick em while their down" kinda thing, instead of being uplifting.

Sorry.
bugzbetty

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Posted: 27 Oct 2013, 03:48
Rob, Your comments weren't preachy at all, but were well researched and insightful. The purpose of this forum is exposure to different opinions. It's helpful because some of them click to help us. Not all of them need to be uplifting.



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