Eat, Fast, Live Longer!

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Draglist

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Posted: 15 May 2013, 18:25
Best of luck with that. I'm no nutrionist, so this is just friendly advice. I'd say try to maximize the protein and limit the carbs. Your body will burn the carbs if it has a chance, so the fewer of them you consume, the faster your body can start using up the fat. Of course, the protein is good for muscles anyway. Also, if you work out, try to stay in the 'fat burning' zone of 65 percent of your maximum heart rate. I've read that your body draws directly from fat stores for energy at that heart rate. If you go up into the aerobic zone, you'll burn more calories, but your body draws from carbohydrates primarily. My source on this is the book 'Younger Next Year.' But you can notice it on any gym machine as the fat burning zone will always be a lower setting than the aerobic zone. I wish you all the best with this! I was huge and I'm a guy so I had a lot more flexibility with how I lost the weight... as I'm getting closer to my goal, it is slowing down some and I'm having to add workouts and eat less... nice problem to have, but I'm only starting to see the issues you are facing. Good luck!
DangerGraing...

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Posted: 16 May 2013, 10:28
@Nadine, first you should slow down. looking at your weight loss graph you are dropping to fast. Think crash dieting. Second you need to get more fats and proteins into your body. Eat eggs, milk, nuts, coconut oil I hear is pretty good, steak, chicken and tons of fruit and vegies. This will help you when fasting. But since you are already so low in calorie area you really need to hit that 1200, even if you dont feel hungry, and stay at 500 on the fast days no more no less, you will run the risk of hurting yourself if you dont
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mrspackrat

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Posted: 16 May 2013, 10:43
Nadine S Rodo wrote:
@ mrspackrat,
Thx for the advise, however at the moment on a normal day I eat basicaly exactly the same thing at exactly the same time everyday, but as I mentioned to draglist on normal days I cant seem to finish a full meal. Kingkeld said that he feels that he has more energy on fast days, I felt truely useless today. So if it is because I dont consume enough cals on a normal day, how do I get to a point where I can do the fasting.


I have a friend who's like that, overweight and barely eats because she fills up so quickly. I think her metabolism is extremely slow. She hardly has any muscle mass....all fat or it could be a thyroid problem. You didn't mention if you lift weights but improving/adding muscle will increase your metabolism. If you workout already and it's not helping or are not interested in working out and are stuck eating so few calories, at least make every bite count. Don't eat foods that aren't rich in nutients. You will at least feed your body what it needs.
kingkeld

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Posted: 16 May 2013, 12:59
I'm not sure what the difference is, but I truly feel better and more energized on Low Cal Days. It's an awesome feeling. Don't do more that one or two in a row. Not good. Smile

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Posted: 16 May 2013, 14:43
Great video! Thanks so much for posting it.
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Posted: 17 May 2013, 02:42
Thx...I didnt record all my food intake from yesterday yet but I think I hit the 1200 yesterday. Ill try doing it again today. I just split my lunch and dinner into to and I eat the 2 halves about 45 minutes apart. Just to clarify I used to be very petit and small but super muscular till I started using cortizone for 2 years. I am trying to get back to where I was before the whole of me turned into two of me. I want to get my BMI down to 10 by next year because my goal is to do an IFBB comp in April. I trying the fast again tommorow so I let you know how it goes.
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Posted: 17 May 2013, 05:53
@Nadine...

The key to intermittent fasting of this sort is not simply to eat less on your fast days (than regular diet days) to create a bigger deficit. You also eat more on one or more non-fasting days, up to your maintenance level if you wish. This makes it easier. First, when you are on a fast day, you know a non-fast day is coming when you can eat more. But also, you can enter a fast not already being starved.
mrspackrat

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Posted: 17 May 2013, 12:39
DangerGrainger wrote:
@mrspackrat looking forward to your results of your bloodwork


I just got back from the doctor and the bloodwork was great. On my blood glucose his response was "wow! we rarely see numbers this low and I mean that in a good way." Same reaction to my triglycerides. Overall, I did see decent decreases in cholesterol, tryiglycerides, blood glucose, my good cholesterol increased, bad cholesteral also dropped. I asked if it was ok that I was doing this and he said with my good health and great bloodwork he doesn't see a reason why I should stop. This isn't scientific proof that fasting has health benefits but between my bloodwork and EKG, it's not showing any signs of hurting me either.

His sons are atheletes and actually do intermittent fasting so he was familiar with it and not opposed to it. When I mentioned the documentation, I noticed he got out his pen and wrote it down Smile
mrspackrat

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Posted: 20 May 2013, 12:54
I rewatched this documentary over the weekend. If they are right about high-protein diets and IGF-1, I thought of the Atkins people. Sure you may lose weight now but are you setting yourself up for a lot of age-related diseases?
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Posted: 21 May 2013, 23:55
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Posted: 22 May 2013, 02:09
why do people think that what happens to a mouse necessarily relates to them?

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Cthulhu

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Posted: 27 May 2013, 11:18
I've shifted my eating to when I'm hungry a 4-10pm feasting time. I allow for about 10% of my RDI during the day. I never go to bed hungry nor do I wake up starving. I find (so far) cravings easy to set aside because I know I'll have time later in the day to be fully satisfied.

This also provides an 18hr fast period, which I find awakens a different part of my inner self. I end up with a nice calorie deficit.

The other aspect I like is that the timing makes most all of my eating social in nature. I get to fully enjoy my wife's excellent meals, and no one has to cope with any weird dieting restrictions with what I'm doing.

There does appear to be some old cultural support for eating the majority of calories later in the day in a social setting. But that is neither here nor there.

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paperiniko

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Posted: 27 May 2013, 13:53
the rationale seems sound although there are not yet good human studies to back it up. I ran a short term experiment in Jan-Feb this year for 6 weeks and the result were that while my blood pressure went considerably down, when I weighed in again I had lost weigh but increased my fat % which I think might have been related to the fact that the calorie deficit was too concentrated instead of being spread out over a week
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Posted: 10 Jun 2013, 14:49
I started the 5:2 diet last week and made it through even though I was hungry and constantly plagued with thoughts of food. I started it without a food plan in place and that was my downfall. This week my 2 fast days are Monday and Thursday. I have a food plan and so far not hungry. I also follow the 8 hour fast which results in my fast day lasting 36+ hours but it works. This is my second week and I plan to use the 5:2 for 4 weeks and then only as needed. One really go side of the fast is it forces one to drink lots of liquids. On fast days I consume 500 calories and do a light workout in the morning. On non-fast days I consume an average of 1700-1800 with a heavier workout.
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mrspackrat

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Posted: 11 Jun 2013, 10:17
Peaches, the more I fast I find it easier to do but I think my food choices on fast days helps me feel satisfied. I eat a lot of fresh vegetables combined with some protein (fish, eggs, cottage cheese, ricotta cheese). Even on feed days, when I stay away from refined carbs and sugars, I find I have no food cravings. And with the feeling of being hungry, it passes. Just push through it, drink water or tea and before you know it, you're not hungry anymore.
debra9500

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Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 13:39
well I thank you for posting this thread - had heard a bit but after reading this I looked into it more - so far I'm loving this - so much easier than trying to keep every single day under - still doing the low carb because that keeps hunger at bay for me.
doing my 3rd week and the feast days are even easier to stay low carb - did have one blow out day last week (stressed) and didn't even enjoy it like I usually do and didn't end up eating near as much as usual
I was eager to get back to low carb which never happens - usually takes a week or so to pull myself back to low carb.
I fast on mondays and fridays but love that I can change that up if I need to. so far so good Smile
Sigel

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Posted: 04 Sep 2013, 11:28
If you are doing 5:2 already or are interested in trying it, you might want to join the "5:2 Fast 2 month" challenge that will be starting Sept. 15th.
Carol Crosby

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Posted: 04 Sep 2013, 12:01
First month on 5:2 fast diet. Takes a bit of getting used to for the fasting but it is getting easier and I feel better the day after the fast. The psychological benefits of it feeling like I only have to use will power for one day and then I get to resume "normal" eating seem to make it easier for me than a traditional long term daily calorie counting diet. Loss of 1 pound a week average is a healthy, albeit, slow result. As I enter month two, wonder if it will get easier or more difficult.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 07:15
I will definitely agree here!!! My weight was so out of control I was considering using medication, as a last ditch attempt to do it on my own I began the 5 2 Fast diet. I have lost over a stone in just over 3 weeks!!! I'm finding it incredibly easy to do and am enjoying my fast days as I look forward to planning my meals for the next day! I try not to binge on non-fast days, but sometimes on special occasions I will go over my RDA, on those weeks I put an extra fast day in to compensate. I am also eating far healthier than before and my mind state has been shifted! I think all of my friends are a bit sick of me going on and on about this diet, but Hey, it works!!! Smile
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Posted: 11 Oct 2013, 06:28
I've been experimenting with IF too, and liking it so far. I've been trying windows (eating between noon and 6-8 pm) and 5:2, and still deciding which is better suited for me. I haven't lost much weight but am close to goal which I've been trying to maintain. I'm curious to hear of any other success stories as well as any stories in which IF was not the WOE for you. Thanks!
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