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Diablo360x

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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 14:07
Restricting carbs is not needed to lose fat. It offers no metabolic advantage. If it is your preferred method to restrict calories, go for it! Quit putting words in my mouth, thanks.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
reddarin

Joined: Nov 11
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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 15:17
Diablo360x wrote:
We only vary in how many calories we burn day to day.


A thoughtless truism. Why do we vary? What mechanisms are responsible for the variance? Your response has been that activity level is the sole mechanism for this variance. That is demonstrably incorrect.

Diablo360x wrote:
You're imagining any other difference.


lol

Insulin resistance is imaginary (like that imaginary chart in the article you linked). Diabetes is imaginary. Metabolic syndrome is imaginary. Hormones do not regulate human metabolism.

Diablo360x wrote:
What you believe to be a metabolic difference is a mental issue. You cannot stop yourself from overeating when carbs are introduced into your diet in abundance. Sorry.


I see. Carbs had no undue effect on my metabolism. It was all in my head, right?

That chart in that article you linked to that showed prolonged elevated insulin levels in obese people, was that all in their heads too?

Pop quiz! Put on your thinking cap brother.

1. Does insulin typically elevate when something is eaten?

2. Are there insulin receptors on fat cells?

3. What is the relationship between citrate and phosphofructokinase?

4. Approximately how much glycogen, in grams, can be stored in your liver?

5. Approximately how much glycogen, in grams, can be stored in your muscles?

6. In an energy replete state, after breakfast for example, what happens to excess glucose?

7. What hormone is elevated when there is excess glucose?

8. When glucose levels raise faster than LBM can absorb it, what happens to the insulin receptors on LBM cells?

9. What is hormone sensitive lipase relationship to insulin?

10. If your energy levels start to drop when insulin levels are elevated what happens?
reddarin

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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 15:33
Diablo360x wrote:
Restricting carbs is not needed to lose fat.


Unless your body regulates insulin poorly.


Diablo360x wrote:
It offers no metabolic advantage.


Would you define what you mean by the term 'metabolic advantage'?

Last time you and your best friend brought it up and started arguing with yourselves about a possible caloric advantage of LC. You guys eventually beat yourselves but it was nip and tuck for a while.

Diablo360x wrote:
If it is your preferred method to restrict calories, go for it!


Not a 'preferred' method. A method that makes a calorie deficit possible when it would otherwise not be possible for all practical purposes. LC works because of its effect on the hormones that regulate fuel homeostasis in human metabolism.

And I'll say it again. It is preposterous to assert that restricting a food item or group of foods magically creates a calorie deficit.

That is another reason why I think you are full of bull about having ever done LC. You seem to believe that an LC'r formulates a well balanced macro plan, establishes a calorie goal and then whacks the carbs off the paper and viola! has an automatic calorie deficit.


Diablo360x wrote:
Quit putting words in my mouth, thanks.


Quit contradicting yourself, thanks.
reddarin

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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 15:48
Dang it lol I misposted this on the other thread.

Guys, lets keep the purely off topic 'reddarin is an idiot' type stuff on this thread please.

If I post something on another thread you disagree with by all means post a response but keep the response focused on the post you are disagreeing with so we don't annoy the 10% of the forum members that aren't already annoyed with us over this thread.

Smile
reddarin

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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 16:54
Diablo360x wrote:
I'd rather learn to moderate than abstain


You cannot 'learn' to ignore biological imperatives.

You can 'learn' to live with the misery of trying to ELMM WB with carbs and a calorie deficit but if you are miserable doing that you are not going to stick with it.

Or you can choose to learn about how the body works and adapt your approach to the reality of the situation.

See if you can answer my short pop quiz.
reddarin

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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 20:34
Don't be afraid Diablo. The quiz is open book of course.
Rita41

Joined: Apr 13
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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 20:40
Leave him alone Red...we've brought him towards the light and lead him away from the dark side.
reddarin

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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 20:48
Rita, have you been peeking at the thermodynamics thread again?!? lol

I am genuinely curious if he can answer the questions I posted though. Smile
Rita41

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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 20:57
I don't care. I've had 2 glasses of wine and I hope he heeds my advice. I am ultimately entertained regardless of the outcome. I have a doctorate in biochemistry so your quiz is particularly of interest to me. I care not who answers I hope that Diablo abstains.....
reddarin

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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 21:35
Rita41 wrote:
I don't care. I've had 2 glasses of wine and I hope he heeds my advice. I am ultimately entertained regardless of the outcome. I have a doctorate in biochemistry so your quiz is particularly of interest to me. I care not who answers I hope that Diablo abstains.....


Alright, but no whispering answers to diablo Smile
Rita41

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Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 21:39
Lol
onedaat

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Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 00:41
This is the third time I've asked him this question. I wonder why he is avoiding answering?

Diablo360x: I will repeat myself since you ignored my question: Do you know the difference between a closed system and an open system? Do you think the human body is a closed system or an open one?
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eKatherine

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Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 09:36
But physics is hard.
reddarin

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Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 12:01
onedaat wrote:
This is the third time I've asked him this question. I wonder why he is avoiding answering?

Diablo360x: I will repeat myself since you ignored my question: Do you know the difference between a closed system and an open system? Do you think the human body is a closed system or an open one?


It is impossible to type an answer when your fingers are stuck in your ears and you are humming the Battle Hymn of the CICO.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of not thinking too much about how metabolism works;
CICO is trampling out the truth that we are all different and something about the grapes of wrath;
CICO hath loosed the fateful lightening of being a lawn mower engine;
CICO fatalism is marching on.

Glory, glory, ignoring thorny contradictions!
Glory, glory, ignoring hormonal interactions!
Glory, glory, ignoring glaring failure rate of the mainstream diet mechanizations!
CICO marches on.

[cut to Pink Floyd movie scene with conveyor belt and meat grinder and edit out the part where everyone takes off mask of conformity and riots].

Razz
reddarin

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Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 12:19
You know, it is irksome to be maligned by one of the antagonist on the challenge thread, make a response to it to point out the duplicity and complete pass given to the friends of the poster for recommending the exact same thing or more than what I recommended and then get this line:

"Didn't realise it would get so personal."

You personalized it ma'am. And my post in response was not rude.

I've seen that several times from the other camp. They will make a remark that cannot be interpreted as anything but rude, snarky or sarcastic and then make a post along the lines of how unfriendly other people are.
reddarin

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Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 12:22
I find it highly convenient that Diablo has finally found the strength of will to stay off the thread that just by happenstance occurs when I posted my pop quiz.
reddarin

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Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 13:11
Hmmmm.

I post on my thread and I am doing it because I am desperate for attention.

A guy that has been banned 6(?) times keeps creating accounts to say reddarin is starved for attention.

lol

Spacey, I gave you what, 6?, opportunities to live in peace with your illicit post-ban accounts but every dang time you have to go back to war with me. I even asked you on two of those accounts to consider the people that you were formerly helping and you turned that invitation down flat every time.

Even this time around, because despite what you apparently think it is very apparent who you are after a post or two, I gave you the opportunity to just start supporting your fans but did you do that?

Nope. You start up on the challenge thread that gluan created to stop this thread. Then, saying obnoxious stuff over there isn't good enough for you to get away with, you come over here and start grief posting me again.

Who is desperate for attention?

By the way, you said that line about "I've said all I have to say" three accounts ago at least.

Puhlease.
reddarin

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Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 13:13
Next post! Another snippet from the Wheat Belly rebuttal rebuttal!

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NCNOLE

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Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 13:34
I don't want to be banned, but I wish YOU would just LET IT GO!
reddarin

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Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 13:49
Davis’ Point – Wheat opioids are so addictive

Jones' - There is no scientific proof of that and some studies directly contradict Dr. Davis' claim about overeating as a reaction to wheat consumption.

This is a typical tactic of the mainstream. When observational and empirical evidence is reported it is 'refuted' by dragging out studies that contradict it. I mean, I get it, there is validity in showing factual counter-information. The issue is it becomes a 'are you gonna believe your lying eyes or this here absolutist study I am waving around?'. A lot of Dr. Davis' book centers around his results with his patients. If he had the means to do ward studies he'd have done it. He is probably the most eager person in the world to do a well structured ward study to prove his theories, observations and patient results. It is easy, for layman particularly, to forget or not consider the expense of ward studies. They are phenomenally expensive and time consuming.

Also, even Jones has to admit that there is evidence that various foods have addictive properties - "While some suggest certain foods, such as sugars and fats, are addictive, the subject is very controversial." Remember that the context she is speaking of is scientific circles. Not pop culture circles like the controversy over Elvis still being alive.



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