You've been here all along with irrelevant info buddy.
Here is my response to the article you linked. Enjoy.
"However, in healthy people, insulin only goes up in response to meals."
Yes? Healthy people. People with a metabolism that is not out of whack. People with a metabolism that is out of whack will have poor insulin control. And they will get fat if they get a substantial amount of their calories from carbs.
For someone without that problem, they can probably muscle through eating carbs and maintaining a calorie deficit to lose weight.
MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage
FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low
haha. Like every other mainstreamer when confronted with a pesky fact, they deflect and obfuscate. So what if the body is able to store fat with low insulin levels? It does not change the fact that carbs drive insulin which drives fat storage.
MYTH: Insulin Makes You Hungry
FACT: Insulin Suppresses Appetite
How come the 'fact' doesn't say 'acutely'?
And this is more misdirection really. Insulin drives blood sugar down. If it goes too low it triggers a hunger response. Even in an otherwise healthy person that can ELMM WB and lose weight this can happen. If your metabolism is screwed it will happen often. Over eating in response to this condition is not a character flaw or a sign of a floppy dolt with no will power. It is a biological imperative.
If you are an ELMM WB CICO fan that gets hungry around 10am after eating breakfast at 7am or 8am, I'll be seeing you on the LC forums in a few years when you are fat. You can jog my memory by mentioning the pic of diablo that you have taped to your dart board.
This is specifically about breakfast but the salient issue is the spike in insulin, the drop in blood sugar and the resulting hunger.http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/17/eating-breakfast.aspx
The circadian cortisol peak has an impact on your insulin secretion, such that when you eat during this time it leads to a rapid and large insulin release, and a corresponding rapid drop in blood sugar levels, more so than when you eat at other times of the day. If you're healthy, your blood sugar levels won't drop to a dangerously low level (such as can occur with hypoglycemia) but they can drop low enough to make you feel hungry.
MYTH: Carbohydrate Is Singularly Responsible for Driving Insulin
FACT: Protein Is a Potent Stimulator of Insulin Too
Holy crap. 75g of protein in one shot in a liquid breakfast? Yes, no doubt OD'ing on protein creates an insulin response. Of course it does. Excess insulin is turned into .... glucose which is ... what carbohydrates are. And 75g or 125g of carbs is a lot of carbs to slug down too in one 'meal'.
For typical eaters, carbs *are* singularly responsible for driving insulin.
Thanks to Phinney, Volek, Westman, et.al., informed LC'rs are well aware of the insulinogenic properties of protein and they moderate their protein to avoid gluconeogenisis. I bet LC'rs are more aware of this issue than ELMM WB'rs. Even outside of actual conversion to glucose protein usually creates a mild insulin response.
Further on, the 4 protein study is brought up to show, I guess, that gluconeogenisis doesn't explain insulin response to protein intake? What I notice that I am sure the writer did not exactly want to highlight is that high protein (75g) and high carbs (75g-125g) creates a heck of an insulin response while lower protein (51g) and actually low carbs (11g) has far less of an impact on insulin response.
I'm very happy to see that whoever wrote this is confirming that carbs do indeed make you fat.
Hey, maybe you didn't notice this but you need to get on the stick and let this guy know he is spreading misinformation:
You can see that the insulin response was exaggerated in the obese subjects, probably due to insulin resistance.
What?!? Insulin resistance?!? He obviously hasn't read that crappy 'you are not different' article you posted earlier. You better send it over post paid so he can stop spreading misinformation. If fat people are different your entire CICO house of carbs comes tumbling down.
Look at that chart he has there. Fat people kept elevated insulin levels for hours after eating. Insulin. The stuff that discourages use of body fat for fuel and encourages fat storage. Holy cow.
"Thus, there’s a lot more that’s behind insulin secretion than just carbohydrate."
Again, this simply means that other foods can create an insulin response. It does not in any way lessen the insulin response that carbs produce. It is like banging your thumb with a hammer and your friend diablo stomping on your foot and saying, see! the hammer isn't the only thing that causes pain!!! so the hammer does not exist. Do not try to bend the hammer, that is impossible. There is no hammer.
"Amino acids (the building blocks of protein) can directly stimulate your pancreas to produce insulin, without having to be converted to glucose first"
Yep. Protein can be mildly insulinogenic.
The fact is that insulin is not this terrible, fat-producing hormone that must be kept as low as possible.
This sort of thing bugs the crap out of me. Essentially this person is brow beating LC'rs on forums for saying something like 'I try to keep my insulin low' when the reality is that LC regulates
insulin response, particularly in a person that has poor insulin regulation which has caused them to gain weight. But saying 'I keep it low' sums it up succinctly if not clinically meticulously accurate.
Get that? For some reason an LC'r *must* always state the benefits of LC (like insulin regulation), 100% exactly right or articles like this try to rip them to shreds. On the other hand, people that misstate the case for CICO ELMM WB, saying for example that the Laws of Thermodynamics proves CICO, are given a pass. If an LC'r is wrong about something then LC is discredited. If a mainstreamer is wrong about something then the mainstream is still hunky dory.