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ClassicRocke...

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 14:28
Diablo360x wrote:
The truth shall set you free. You feel like I am judging you and you're jealous that I have the willpower to get into great shape without having to LC my way there. You're your only competition. Don't try to measure up to others. It's okay.


And don't expect us to measure up to you.



Goal: 160 by 5/1/2014--Okay... I didn't make it. Such is life.
155 or less by 9/1/2014

May I be free to be the me that I came into this world to be.
reddarin

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 14:59
Diablo360x wrote:
Look at Red up there still saying I am telling people what to eat.


Look at me! Hooray!

Diablo360x wrote:
LC helped you eat a lot less calories than you burned.


I thought you said that LC didn't do anything? Don't forget your meme that a calorie is a calorie.

Diablo360x wrote:
Exactly 280,000 calories


Dunno. I know your body is a bombcalorimeter but mine isn't.

Diablo360x wrote:
if you truly lost 80 lbs.


Well, I know I am me and you are you and if you tell us something that instantly makes it irrefutably true while if I say something, being LC and all, that makes it an obvious lie.

Seems like you were getting uptight earlier about being called a liar. You don't mind calling other people liars though. But let's face it, consistency is not exactly your forte.
reddarin

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 15:04
Diablo360x wrote:
you're jealous that I have the willpower


Yep. If a person cannot follow ELMM WB then they have a character defect. Thank God for good people like you to tell us we are less human because we don't have your iron willed strength of character.

And, that is a brilliant point! Of course someone arguing with you about how to eat is jealous of you. That goes without saying. I passed a guy on the freeway just yesterday and he held up a sign that said "I am jealous of that guy Diablo". I could only hang my head in shame as I had to nod my agreement with that motorist. It is an old saying but who can argue that being a legend in their own mind is not a wonderful state of being?
reddarin

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 15:53
Diablo360x wrote:
By your logic, NOONE is to be believed. Good argument. I've seen dozens of obese doctors.

You have an exceedingly tenuous grasp of logic there buddy.

*Your* logic is that hundreds of thousands of people on diet sites know what works. *Her* logic is that your hundreds of thousands of people have a 98% failure rate and it is therefore unlikely that they have the answer.

Your position on who to believe about what boils down to 'people Diablo agrees with'.

[quote=Diablo360x]Just because people fail does not mean they do not know what is needed to get healthy.


Is this a bad time to point out that you were saying exactly the opposite when you were talking up body building dot com? As in, look at their results they must know what they are doing.

Diablo360x wrote:
Please.


My thoughts exactly.

Diablo360x wrote:
There are many pro bodybuilders who know squat about nutrition, they are only in shape because they follow what their coach tells them and they have the one most important thing. MOTIVATION.


Many professional body builders??? Bull crap.

I'm sure there are a zillion enthusiast that don't know the first thing about nutrition, like yourself, and just do what they are told. But I doubt there are very many enthusiast that don't at least know that insulin is an anabolic hormone. Or that the type of food eaten dictates insulin response. Here is a trick question for you buddy. Why do BB's carb up after a work out? Answer: to get an insulin response. Wait. Whaaaaat? BB's think carbs create an insulin response. You better rush over there and stop the misinformation.
mummydee

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 16:09
Diablo360x wrote:


No because until I see it for myself or hear it from someone I trust I will never believe you're above thermodynamics. Your diet is private so I can't even see if you were truly eating 1200 calories. I have helped and seen it in many close friends who used to be obese to morbidly obese. Calorie tracking always works if they are honest and consistent.


So you believe what you read, and you expect us to believe in your theories but I post something and i'm a liar and until you see proof you won't believe it?

I don't need to prove anything to you. I know what happened and i'm not posting my food intake anymore because for the last 6 months since hitting my goal weight i've been eating the same thing daily and maintaining and missing out on nothing.

Maybe as you grow up you will learn when to trust and when to doubt. right now, your ego is ruling your thoughts and i'll just leave you on your pedestal to preach to your followers.
mummydee

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 16:14
Diablo360x wrote:
Kat, You omitted the calorie total honey. I meant it helps with the calorie total. Silly. Setup the macros however you like sweetheart.


How condescending of you! "honey" "sweetheart" if I was your mother i'd box your ears and teach you some respect!
eKatherine

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 16:44
Diablo360x wrote:
Kat, You omitted the calorie total honey. I meant it helps with the calorie total. Silly. Setup the macros however you like sweetheart.


Oh, Dibby, you're such an insulting boy. Are you sure you're not Spacey?

FYI everybody, my name is neither "Kat" nor "Kathy".
mummydee

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 16:46
Oh, Dibby, you're such an insulting boy. Are you sure you're not Spacey?[/quote]

Maybe they were twins separated at birth?Shock
eKatherine

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 16:48
Maybe they share a pair of socks?
reddarin

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 18:40
Well. I am afraid if I try to sum up Davis' Point and her Analysis I'll end up shorting one or the other. I don't want to copy and paste the two blocks of text since I don't believe the author wants her material reprinted like that. When I downloaded the document and tried to copy the name of a study she footnoted I got a message box saying that DRM wouldn't allow copying.

So I'll link it in each post.

2nd block of analysis - "Elimination of wheat".

I dunno. I did not get the impression that the book was so much an LC book as a wheat-free book. The entire book is focused on convincing the reader to rethink wheat in their diet. I don't believe it is until the end of the book that he formulates some sort of diet to go along with being wheat-free. I'm not sure why 'the WB diet is revealed to be LC' is phrased like a gotcha. Very early in the book, as I recall, he noted that two slices of bread have a higher GI than a snickers bar so he 'revealed' that he was looking at metabolic responses early on. The point is, would Jones say, for example, 'the WB diet is revealed to be vegan' or 'the WB diet is revealed to be Mediterranean'?

Another thing that stuck out to me was Dr. Davis asserting that 'simply removing wheat' from the diet resulted in some phenomenal weight loss with his patients. She takes that and alters what he said to be 'his diet' (I guess) rather than 'simply removing wheat'. I understand that he puts together a diet plan towards the end of the book but that is separate from what he is saying in the block she is analyzing. When I read the book I took him to mean that simply removing wheat produced extraordinary results with some of his patients because he said 'simply removing wheat'.

She asserts that LC diets do not result in greater weight loss. Hold that thought.

She asserts that LC results in more dropouts than other diet types that are more balanced and do not eliminate entire food groups.

On the first point, I question the source of her assertion. Is it that 4 diet 2 year study that was self-reported? It seems to be.

On the second point, bull crap. The sainted well-balanced no food group left behind, which is *the* mainstream way, is included in the 98% failure rate, no? It is a false contrast to say that more LC'rs drop out when the success rate of all long term dieting is so poor.

Also, the anti-LC animus people face daily is unlike anything other serious diet approaches have to endure. This thread is exhibit A. The remaining vocal opponent has said that he feels it is his holy obligation to stop anyone from even attempting LC let alone speak of it in positive terms. And he has done that on other threads. He has repeated his self-anointed title of Guardian Of Diets (GOD for short) several times in this thread. Even Keld, who is otherwise apparently a paragon of helpfulness played sheriff deciding what is right for everyone. And it isn't just here of course. Mainstreamers like them are all over the place.
mummydee

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 19:05
OMG he is well and truley resurrected.. cap locks and all.... I find nothing in this thread helpful or informative any more, just egotistical a'holes spouting off now so i'll say good night and good luck to all,.... grow up!
eKatherine

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 19:13
CICO baby wrote:
eKatherine wrote:
Maybe they share a pair of socks?


but they don't tell vulnerable young women to stick their head on the body of a super model and try to attain that look by dieting

SEXISM at it worst I think!


You know nothing, NOTHING about eating disorders.
eKatherine

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 19:14
mummydee wrote:
OMG he is well and truley resurrected.. cap locks and all.... I find nothing in this thread helpful or informative any more, just egotistical a'holes spouting off now so i'll say good night and good luck to all,.... grow up!


Nite mummydee. Fatsecret admins will have to find a way to block the trolls or it will ruin the site.
mummydee

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 19:18
eKatherine wrote:
mummydee wrote:
OMG he is well and truley resurrected.. cap locks and all.... I find nothing in this thread helpful or informative any more, just egotistical a'holes spouting off now so i'll say good night and good luck to all,.... grow up!


Nite mummydee. Fatsecret admins will have to find a way to block the trolls or it will ruin the site.


Only if we give him that power, just ignore this thread from now on and move on.... you have alot of good advice for many on other threads, keep to that, don't let his ignorance or his cohorts stop you from helping others.
he's not worth it.
eKatherine

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 19:19
mummydee wrote:
eKatherine wrote:
mummydee wrote:
OMG he is well and truley resurrected.. cap locks and all.... I find nothing in this thread helpful or informative any more, just egotistical a'holes spouting off now so i'll say good night and good luck to all,.... grow up!


Nite mummydee. Fatsecret admins will have to find a way to block the trolls or it will ruin the site.


Only if we give him that power, just ignore this thread from now on and move on.... you have alot of good advice for many on other threads, keep to that, don't let his ignorance or his cohorts stop you from helping others.
he's not worth it.


I would like to think that. But he's a stalker.
reddarin

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 19:58
(Keep in mind I gave my copy of the book to another person to read and hand on to the next person when they finished so I have to go by what her summary of what he is saying and my recall of what he said)

Block 3 - Various illnesses improve or go away completely with removal of wheat from the diet.

She attributes all of it to weight loss.

She also points out that his laundry list of illnesses that are improved are based on testimonials. Fair enough but Dr. Davis was clear that he was giving testimonials when he gave the testimonials.

She footnotes that diabetes associations endorse reducing calories and weight loss. The same people that endorse carby eating and insulin medicine to deal with the carby eating. Really, the diabetes associations are not the paragons of rational thinking for nutritional guidelines. If LC could be created as a pill it'd be the miracle answer to diabetes sufferers around the world.

My personal experience was that when I went wheat-free I got immediate relief from headaches and heartburn well before I lost enough weight to have an impact. I mean, I still had a BMI of at least 34 to 35 starting off at a BMI of 36.

Additionally, I had a failed attempt at LC (family medical emergency) about a month before I went LC/wheat-free. LC by itself did not relieve the headaches/heartburn. I also remember, that first go round, how I was trying to figure out how to add wheat (french bread) back onto my menu and stay LC.

At any rate, when I read the book I never though that Dr. Davis was guaranteeing a life free of illness by eliminating wheat. I read it as his recounting some very intriguing results he'd had with wheat being dropped from a person's diet.

I agree with her that a ward study is needed. But getting funding for a study like that is no small thing.
mummydee

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 20:16
Maybe, just maybe, it's not the wheat it's the GMO'D WHEAT!!! wheat never was a problem before industrialization took over and Monsanto found a way to make billions off GMO'D wheat seeds and product... same with corn and soy....
Diablo360x

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 20:46
reddarin wrote:
Here is a trick question for you buddy. Why do BB's carb up after a work out? Answer: to get an insulin response. Wait. Whaaaaat? BB's think carbs create an insulin response. You better rush over there and stop the misinformation.


Meal timing is largely irrelevant but since you don't keep up with new research you wouldn't know that. Your backwards knowledge is enough evidence of it. If it was relevant 20g of whey on it's own is enough of an insulin response fyi. Protein is also a great insulin spiker.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 20:53
mummydee wrote:
Diablo360x wrote:
Kat, You omitted the calorie total honey. I meant it helps with the calorie total. Silly. Setup the macros however you like sweetheart.


How condescending of you! "honey" "sweetheart" if I was your mother i'd box your ears and teach you some respect!


Have you kept up with the thread? She begins by insulting me and saying I don't know how LC works when I was simply showing how LC helps people restrict calories. There is only one post where she responds in a non-condescending manner. Only fighting fire with fire. Please refrain from threatening me with violence, thanks!
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
reddarin

Joined: Nov 11
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Posted: 19 Jul 2013, 20:58
Diablo360x wrote:
reddarin wrote:
Here is a trick question for you buddy. Why do BB's carb up after a work out? Answer: to get an insulin response. Wait. Whaaaaat? BB's think carbs create an insulin response. You better rush over there and stop the misinformation.


Meal timing is largely irrelevant but since you don't keep up with new research you wouldn't know that. Your backwards knowledge is enough evidence of it. If it was relevant 20g of whey on it's own is enough of an insulin response fyi. Protein is also a great insulin spiker.


Right. Well, you better scurry off to the BB sites to let all the slackers know. I double checked the carb up and it is still being done and still for the same reasons.

FYI, protein is a lousy insulin spiker. Carbs, on the other hand, are excellent at spiking insulin. That is why they are popular pre/post workout.

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