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Champers9

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 16:49
Ok Ok boys.... your testosterone is making me cranky!!!!!! I would like to point out one thing............ you muscle boys get to eat a lot more calories than us 'feeble women'........ so can 'indulge' more!! Lets face it...... a Big Mac for me is nearly half my daily allowance!!!! And the bickering is really starting to get on my nerves! You all have your opinions, and frankly are welcome to them! Thats the basis of liberty so stop the bloody name calling cos you cant agree! Grow up the lot of you!!

Phew..... that feels better lol

Now I agree with a lot of you! Calorie deficit MUST be the answer. BUT.... and its a big but that Im yet (and may yet test) that individual people process/react/whatever to different macro nutrients???? I have my own theories that I gained through my last 120 odd lbs lost that I my OK with carbs........ but fats stick to me like glue. Yet to test the theory by trying something like Atkins is scary cos Im comfortable the way Im eating. Only losing 1 - 1.5lb a week when I know I can lose 2-3lb......... but then Im not not at the gym yet, or walking twice a day too! To do the 2-3 lb I have to excercise more than I eat........... hence calorie defecit being king. But I STILL feel that if I ate more fat I'd be in trouble.

Maybe I should test it out........... would more fat cause me trouble and prove different people react differently (and support the likes of Atkins)?????? Or would I lose the same amount if I kept at the same calorie intake and excercise.... whatever the carb/fat/protein mix? Hmm......... scary for me to even contemplate extra fat!!

But on the other hand it might shut up some of the bickering!!!
Champers9

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 16:56
Oh.... and just so you know. I count calories........ and base the 'split' roughly on the British Dietetic Society recommendations........... just that I reduce the carbs and fat they recomment for a 500 cal deficit.

I MUST have my protein, fibre and 5 a day...... struggle for the calcium cos I hate milk....... and then use whats left for carbs and fat. Dont always do it, of course.... but try. AND on top of that stick a couple of cans of lager cos I LIKE it........ so my food calories have to be really careful!!
CJT1217

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 17:08
My body doesnt respond well to processed carbs/starchy foods, so I try to avoid them. I can immediately see my cheeks and love handles puff up after a large carb/high sodium day even if I keep a calorie deficit. I've found for me that eating natural foods yields the best visible results.

So for my bod, the ideal is the best of all the strong opinions on here, If I eat clean and natural I will always easily keep my calories under 1800 thanks to feeling full and satiated. I'll feel great, and wake up a little bit leaner the next day. I've done my research, tried a couple angles, found what works for me, and have been happy since.

So, find your route, love it, and live it! Good luck to us all in achieving our goals!

Stay the course, stay on point, stay motivated, dedicated, and you won't be stopped. Discipline. Perseverance. Focus. Dig deep and you will be victorious.
Spacey47

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 17:11

@chzmpers9
Seeing as you don't show your information how can anyone comment on what you do?
Unless you are hugely over weight losing more than 1lb s avweek is pretty silly and likely to be Lean mass rather than fat
Champers9

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 17:13
And Double Oh..... ladies hit the weights! Body fat % for me is the key! I got down to less than 160lbs (I know, I know..... thats FAT for BMI readings etc).... but had a bf% of around 26.5% which for my age etc was in the lower end of GOOD!!!! Working it out now I have found I have LOST approx 13 lb of muscle over a lazy 2 yr period and have to gain that back to make my aim of 168lbs good. On the positive side..... I recently lost 4lbs and went down 2% ish...... which means I lost 6lb fat, gained 2lb muscle..... all good! The number on the scales only tells half the story!

And YES....... I LIKE to complicate things!! It makes this whole weight lose thing interesting for me
Spacey47

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 17:21
Have you been drinking?
I have no idea what u are on about
Champers9

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 17:27
There you go Spacey... I've shared!

I WAS hugely overweight.... now looking to lose 66lbs... which to me is NOT that much but to you would be. I will qualify that by saying that 42lb of that went on in 3 months after having two HUGE loose skin removals and losing my Mum in the middle of it........... I just ran out of steam! Yes.... I ate emotionally!

I dont know how much I weighed when I started losing weight! I just decided that I needed to at least start eating heathily...... (my Mum suffered through diabetes!) and tried hard to eat my '5 a day'. This took up so much of my diet that my clothes got loose. I stepped on the scales......... and continued...... slowly reducing food and increasing excercise! And researching, and researching and researching........ what my body neaded!

After a year I got my doctor to do bloods to check that I was getting all I needed........ and turned up fine! By that time I was going to the gym around 6 times a week for 1.5hrs (1hr cardio and .5 weights) plus going for walks twice a day. I would like to point out that I wasnt working at that time so it also filled my day! Hence burning more calories a day than I was taking in and losing 2-3lb a week.

At the moment I am just walking so only losing what I am losing. Nor have I given up the beer for 5 days a week! There is plenty of room for me to lose crap calories and improve expenditure......... but you know what..... you have to work up to that lol lol lol

Oh, and before you decide its safe to lable me a loser because I put a load back on............. its NOT
Champers9

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 17:34
Oh dear...... I think Spacey and I are 'crossing over' on posts.

What dont you understand Spacey? And yes..... of course I have been drinking lol. It cant be the whole bf% cos you're so into it too????
Spacey47

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 17:35
I think it's time for bed.....

Good luck with your effort, small steps long walk
mikefarinha

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 17:39
Spacey47 wrote:

If some Muppet thinks eating rubbish food but at a low calorie is going to be good for them long term that's their look out and not my job to educate them


Diablo360x meet Spacey47, Spacey47 meet Diablo360x.

-Mike
"Eat as if your life depends on it!"
Spacey47

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 17:41
I think Mike you need to look at the results clearly what me and Diablo are doing is working very well for us

And at the end of the day that's what counts,
eKatherine

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 20:17
How much weight did you lose, Spacey? I've lost more than you have. Working out just fine for me, no way would I attempt to change to suit your whims or perceived needs.
Ingria

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 21:15
mikefarinha wrote:
Spacey47 wrote:

If some Muppet thinks eating rubbish food but at a low calorie is going to be good for them long term that's their look out and not my job to educate them


Diablo360x meet Spacey47, Spacey47 meet Diablo360x.


Mike, touché. This brilliantly summarizes several months of pointless discussions!
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The first thing you lose on a diet is your sense of humor. ~ Author Unknown
It doesn’t matter what diet you follow… What matters is what makes you follow your diet. ~ Tom Venuto
Spacey47

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Posted: 10 May 2013, 22:21
The 2 lurkers come out of the woodwork still thinking they have made a point when they haven't

@ e Katherine

I have NEVER asked YOU to do a THING HAVE I? all you do is butt in with your emotional ignorant misguided rants in a thread or indeed other threads totally unprovoked.clearly for a woman you had let your self slide far further than I had as a man and indeed nearly one year on you are still 23 lb s from your goal but hopefully still getting there. I had less to lose than you seeing as I had become merely quite over weight whereas you had become MORBIDLY obese.
However 42 lbs in 6 months is still some achievement I think, and to be honest it's the last 14 lbs that are the hardest and you haven't got their yet so you do not know what it is like to do.
The Best thing is I have MAINTAINED the loss for 6 months which is the TRUE test of whether your LIFESTYLE change had worked,YOU haven't faced that test either SO before you TALK the TALK lets see if you can actually WALK the WALK

@ Ingria

YOU appear to have achieved NOTHING WHATSOEVER! WHY are you here at ALL?

2 years on HEAVIER THAN EVER. really HOW you can even talk about ANYTHING TO DO WITH WEIGHT LOSS......, IS THE BIGGEST MYSTERY HERE! YOU are an UTTER FAILURE! 2 YEARS and NOTHING why would or Should ANYONE LISTEN TO OR TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY?


@MikeF
I never said that DIABLO eats badly, I have always said eat a healthy diet as much as possible
However and I'll say it again for the blindingly ignorant you can still GAIN WEIGHT on HEALTHY FOOD whatever THAT MEANS it certainly seems an individual choice
Therefore calories in the END remain KING and that is the experience of many here
Kingkeld he lost 75kg that way!


If you lose weight even if you think it's NOT its because you created a
CALORIE DEFICIT.

Those who have NOT= Ingria not 1lb Lost! Seemingly getting heavier!

Mike for all his talk stuck 2 years after he started some 30lbs from his goal
E Katherine still yet to reach her goal


The hardest bit is the last 14lbs come back and talk about how you did it when you
HAVE DONE IT and MAINTAINED IT!

Spacey47

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Posted: 11 May 2013, 00:35
2 YEARS on a weight loss site and fatter ffs!

Now that is FUNNY! Made me chuckle Smile
Spacey47

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Posted: 11 May 2013, 00:51
2 YEARS!
Spacey47

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Posted: 11 May 2013, 00:52
SEE IF YOU CAN DO 3!Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
Spacey47

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Posted: 11 May 2013, 02:16
suzygirl1017 wrote:


Also, little by little I switched from Ice Cream to Frozen Yogurt, full fat dressings to low-fat low-calorie dressings (never fat free, eww), etc. I chose the healthier alternative. I went on kind of an "eat this, not that" adventure. Because of the lower calorie options, I was allowed to eat more and keep myself full(er). I don't know about you but I'd rather have a cup of low-fat frozen yogurt than a 1/4 cup of Ice Cream or 2 cups of popcorn as opposed to 7 potato chips.



Suzy L hear what your saying about going for the alternatives and if it works for you great that's what its all about.

Personally you could give me all the alternatives but NOTHING tastes as good as the real thing and I would sooner work a good portion of the real thing into my daily calories than suffer the not so nice alternative.

but I do understand the craving thing

Diablo360x

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Posted: 11 May 2013, 15:48
Ingria is so crazy, always has been. eKatherine, just because you let your weight get completely out of control, you're better than someone that knew better? This thread makes me smile. A quote from an up and coming fitness guru.

"Being very involved with the fitness industry I find it disturbing how many people refer to their particular type of "food avoidance" diet as a "lifestyle". High carb vegan lifestyle... low carb lifestyle... Paleo lifestyle.... etc. Avoiding certain foods does not qualify as a lifestyle to my knowledge... although it may, under certain circumstances, qualify as a specific mental disorder called Orthorexia Nervosa."
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Spacey47

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Posted: 11 May 2013, 16:01
Diablo360x wrote:
Ingria is so crazy, always has been.a."


God knows what she must be like in real life

2 years posting on a weight loss forum and GAINING weight I find that incredible

Both ekat and Mike f failing to reach their goals in Mike's case also 2+ years

All 3 think they are experts!

The world has gone crazy!



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