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Tamaralynn04...

Joined: May 13
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Posted: 06 May 2013, 16:14
I agree with most of your original post - it's not about "dieting" it's a Lifestyle change. No gimmicks.

I use Hypnotism (is It a gimmick? I guess it depends on your opinion). The point of the hypnotism for me is to give me 30 minutes of absolute stress free time everyday, to pat myself on the back for a job well done, and a cheering session to continue my new lifestyle of becoming healthy again and staying that way permanently.

I follow a "calorie diet" because it is teaching me to read the Nutritonal information and learn what a normal portion size is, what nutrition it contains (fiber, vitamins etc). After learning a proper portion size, it's easier to go from there.
Spacey47

Joined: Apr 12
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Posted: 06 May 2013, 16:26
@Rita41

Thanks for the input
There will always be those who will try and undermine

What I don't think people realise is that it is the commitment to making the change that makes the difference
That is why I stress that it's HEALTH that should be your primary goal rather than weight loss per se like you I have a young child and I not only want to see him grow up I want to be able to play and interact with him as much as possible
And the only way I can do that is if I'm fit and healthy.

It's that desire that gets me training at 6 am in the morning eating healthy food most of the time

The fact that I now am in the best shape I have been for 30 years is a very welcome bonus and the best thing is you carry it with you all day


What people who don't know you is the lifestyle change you have made to get where you are now not genetics
I suppose it's a compliment really
Spacey47

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Posted: 06 May 2013, 16:32
@Tamarlynn

I don't think hypnotism is a gimmick at all. Is it helps your mind set and to focus on your goals it's all good

Most top sports people employ psychologists to help their focus and game winning attitudes
This process is as much mental as it is physical and if it helps you go for it
Rita41

Joined: Apr 13
Posts: 186

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Posted: 06 May 2013, 16:53
@Tamaralynn....stress is a big reason why many of us put on weight. I am a reformed stress eater. If hypnotism is your release then more power to you. For me my 5 am workout is mine. I start the day with a sense of accomplishment rather than worry as to whether or not I can fit my workout....those with small kids know your day can go sideways at any time.

Reading labels is also very important. Some products have a great calorie count but when you look closely at the serving size it wouldn't satisfy an ant.
riocaz

Joined: Jun 12
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Posted: 06 May 2013, 20:40
Rita41 wrote:
Reading labels is also very important. Some products have a great calorie count but when you look closely at the serving size it wouldn't satisfy an ant.


Don't get me started... 1/12th of a packet is never a damn portion.

And the "meals" where the entire range is in identical packaging and sizes... And listed as "per pack = x" except one... which is "half a pack = x"... Because that one meal has double the calories of the others.

And packs where the "portion" isn't a number you can divide the pack by... If it's 80g a portion then why is the pack 130g... Or even better the fruit bags where the portion size is 80g but the pack is only 55g...

42" jeans(25/01/2013) 40"(28/02/2013) 38"(20/03/2013) 36"(25/05/2013)
Down from 60" waist jeans since June 21st 2012.

Still keeping to my 26" jeans, but they are too tight for comfort. too many tasty things in the US, and over Xmas.

Onwards and Downwards! Smile
http://www.menu52.com/
Spacey47

Joined: Apr 12
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Posted: 06 May 2013, 22:44
My favorite is the Cadbury bites bag range
1/4 of a bag of twirl bites is 220 calories and is allegedly a portion!
You could eat a bag without thinking

Toffee popcorn is another one you could eat that has a whopping calorie count per gram
Spacey47

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 07:20
Spacey47 wrote:
mikefarinha wrote:
Spacey47 wrote:

People like you just love to COMPLICATE things make it seem like its OUT OF PEOPLES CONTROL, well It doesn't have to be. On basic level its actually QUITE SIMPLE
and some people would rather a straightforward approach than read pages of your self absorbed diatribe


And what do you tell people that have tried and failed with your advice?


answer my questions and then I will answer yours


Nothing else to say Mike?

Tamaralynn04...

Joined: May 13
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Posted: 07 May 2013, 08:05
Spacey47 wrote:
My favorite is the Cadbury bites bag range
1/4 of a bag of twirl bites is 220 calories and is allegedly a portion!
You could eat a bag without thinking

Toffee popcorn is another one you could eat that has a whopping calorie count per gram
.

We don't have the twirl bites here in canada... but have lots of other chocolate bars made into bite sized bags. I keep aero bites in freezer. When I have a chocolate craving one bite fixes me up nicely Smile
suzygirl1017

Joined: Dec 10
Posts: 65

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 08:14
Good idea for a low-calorie snack that satisfies my sweet tooth: Kettle Corn. 2 Cups = 130 Calories. It's a good amount too. The only problem I have is stopping at 2 cups. So I measure out baggies of it and never go for the big bag. Popcorn is addictive!
I'm back on track!
Lost 50 lbs. in 2011, gained a bit back after pregnancy.
If did it once, I can do it again!


Goal #1: 190 lbs. - Met April 29, 2013
Goal #2: 180 lbs. - Met June 9, 2013
Goal #3: 170 lbs. - Met September 6, 2013
Goal #4: 160 lbs.
Goal #5: 150 lbs.
The BIG Goal: 145 lbs.
Spacey47

Joined: Apr 12
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Posted: 07 May 2013, 09:06
suzygirl1017 wrote:
Good idea for a low-calorie snack that satisfies my sweet tooth: Kettle Corn. 2 Cups = 130 Calories. It's a good amount too. The only problem I have is stopping at 2 cups. So I measure out baggies of it and never go for the big bag. Popcorn is addictive!


I am a rehabilitated popcorn addict, it was my crack!

Now I just don't buy it.......apart from very now and then and when I do I demolish the whole bag whatever the size

My current thing for a treat is 85% dark chocolate. A few squares sucked very slowly
In the evening
riocaz

Joined: Jun 12
Posts: 654

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 09:21
Freeze the squares Spacey. They melt slower then.

42" jeans(25/01/2013) 40"(28/02/2013) 38"(20/03/2013) 36"(25/05/2013)
Down from 60" waist jeans since June 21st 2012.

Still keeping to my 26" jeans, but they are too tight for comfort. too many tasty things in the US, and over Xmas.

Onwards and Downwards! Smile
http://www.menu52.com/
Sophie1177

Joined: May 13
Posts: 2

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 09:38
Spacey47 wrote:
HANDY TIP

This may apply mainly to men but could work just as well for women
WEAR A BELT ,

1.make sure it's a snug fit,
2.never loosen it to accommodate over eating
3.if it feels tighter cut back on your eating

It is a daily and constant feedback mechanism on how you are doing
aim to get to the next hole down


Love this idea! Just joined and having a look round the forums for unusual and new tips! This one sounds good! Thanks, Spacey!
Sophie

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Rita41

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 11:51
Since most girls don't wear a belt....here's another tip. THROW OUT THE STRETCHY PANTS!!!! you can gain 25 lbs if you wear yoga pants and not even know it. I actually could wear mine almost through the my whole pregnancies...and I gained ALOT of weight. I want instant feedback that I've been going in the wrong direction.

As I lost weight I either gave away all the clothes to the diabetic association or another good cause or gave them to friends. Any clothes left did not give me the ability to gain even 5 lbs without being uncomfortable. Leave yourself no fall back. My closet is nearly empty.

My incentive.....as the sizes got smaller I'd shop...not for a lot because I wasn't at my goal. In nine pounds I will go wild..... hubby promised!
Spacey47

Joined: Apr 12
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Posted: 07 May 2013, 12:20
Rita41 wrote:
Since most girls don't wear a belt....here's another tip. THROW OUT THE STRETCHY PANTS!!!! you can gain 25 lbs if you wear yoga pants and not even know it. I actually could wear mine almost through the my whole pregnancies...and I gained ALOT of weight. I want instant feedback that I've been going in the wrong direction.

As I lost weight I either gave away all the clothes to the diabetic association or another good cause or gave them to friends. Any clothes left did not give me the ability to gain even 5 lbs without being uncomfortable. Leave yourself no fall back. My closet is nearly empty.

My incentive.....as the sizes got smaller I'd shop...not for a lot because I wasn't at my goal. In nine pounds I will go wild..... hubby promised!




A bit more drastic than a belt! But very effective all the same

I have had to buy myself a whole new wardrobe which is great
I keep one of my fat trousers in the wardrobe as a reminder to where I never want to go again
Diablo360x

Joined: Jul 11
Posts: 793

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 03:59
There are no unhealthy foods just unhealthy diets. A large amount of any food can be unhealthy, the key is moderation. You want to get your vitamins and fiber, once they are taken care of, how is a cheeseburger unhealthy given that it fits into your calorie goals? Eating nothing but celery would be more unhealthy than nothing but ice cream since ice cream actually has fat and protein that your body needs.

Try to eat mostly unprocessed foods but do not beat yourself up for enjoying daily treats. They will not affect you adversely unless you eat them uncontrollably and create a large calorie surplus. A strict diet will more likely than not lead to failure. Baby steps.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Spacey47

Joined: Apr 12
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Posted: 08 May 2013, 04:54
Diablo360x wrote:
the key is moderation.


That is 'THE' Key. as the old saying goes everything in moderation never was a truer word said when it comes to diet

You see so much nonsense here: Atkins. Keto, 1 meal a day, 7 meals a day, eat breakfast, don't eat breakfast, never eat after 8pm etc etc

Its all pretty much pointless and in some cases dangerous

In the old days they pretty much had it sorted as they were no where near as over weight as we are now.

Just a eat a balanced healthy diet with some treats if you want them in MODERATION within your NEEDS and exercise regularly in MODERATION.

do this forever consistently and you will be more likely to be in good health and a reasonable weight
kingkeld

Joined: Sep 09
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Posted: 08 May 2013, 05:49
Spacey47 wrote:
...Kingkeld would testify to that and he has dropped 75KG! so go figure


Yup, that's me!

Except for a few periods here and there I really haven't looked much at nutritional info other than the amount of calories.

Oh, and for the record, I dropped 80 kilos. Then gained a little cause I'm a slacker, and now I am at 75 - re-lost the fat, and now putting on muscle. Very Happy

Visit my website: www.tabdig.info

"Losing weight is never about eating as little as possible"
- Kingkeld.
"You wouldn't worry so much about what others think of you if you realized how seldom they do.
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"Do. Or do not. There is no trying."
- Master Yoda.

I went from morbidly obese to being the owner of TABDIG - a weight loss coaching service that helps people worldwide losing weight. It's been an amazing journey. From October 4th 2010 to April 3rd 2012 I lost half my body weight - 80 kilos/170 lbs. Since then, I have had two cosmetic surgeries to remove excess skin. I have now quadrupled my strength, gained several kilos in muscle mass, and today I focus on building muscle, optimizing my diet, living healthy and helping people to reach the very same goals. I am stronger, healthier, thinner, happier! If you feel that you need help losing weight, don't hesitate to send me an inbox message.
NCNOLE

Joined: Feb 11
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Posted: 08 May 2013, 06:07
The problem with "moderation" is that it means different things to everyone. Some people think that means they can eat 2 cups of "x" b/c it is less than the 4 cups they used to eat. The only other problem with moderation is being honest with yourself - you have to be honest with what you are actually consuming and you have to be honest about trigger foods. Now this may be more of a problem with women as we are probably more likely to binge than men. If you know that one brownie will lead you to finishing the pan or worse if it will lead to craving other junk, then moderation might not work. I have a few trigger foods (chex mix happens to be one) and I have a hard time stopping with 1/2 cup. Over Christmas I made some and ate way too much, then it opened the window to the cookies - which I had previously been able to control. So I've learned to just avoid certain foods and if I have them I make sure to not bring them in the house. I remember in my thinner days (well, now they are my pre-obese phase as I am thinner now) I would not buy snack foods much, unless I was having a specific craving. So I think that is probably a good thing for me to get back to. You also only hurt yourself if you don't count those extra bites and tastes - they can add up.
Spacey47

Joined: Apr 12
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Posted: 08 May 2013, 07:50
Moderation means ..for me ....eating within your caloric limit if trying to lose weight and eating at it if maintaining.

I am also known to have a binge now and then and I know what triggers it in me

Lack of sleep and alcohol

I try to avoid the first and plan the second!

I also don't stock up on treat food, if i want it I buy it as I go along

If I do have a binge I shrug it off and then carry on as normal no big deal
I think it helps sometimes, gives the body a bit of a shock.

suzygirl1017

Joined: Dec 10
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Posted: 08 May 2013, 07:53
Spacey47 wrote:
You see so much nonsense here: Atkins. Keto, 1 meal a day, 7 meals a day, eat breakfast, don't eat breakfast, never eat after 8pm etc etc

Its all pretty much pointless and in some cases dangerous


... and unsustainable. Who can get used to an eating routine like that? It's not realistic. That's why so many people quit diets. For example, at a typical job you get two breaks per day and a lunch break. How do you fit 5 of your 7 meals into your workday on a schedule like that? Or another example... you work the nightshift. You're forced to eat after 8pm, because that's when you're awake. Regardless of what schedule you're on... one meal a day is just insane. How do you get the energy to function?

A bunch of ladies here at work are doing some liquid cleanse diet. Spending hundreds of dollars on a kit to make shakes that I could make at home with fresh produce and some protein powder. What a waste of money, and pointless, because they're not learning how to eat properly so that when they're done with the shakes, they won't put those pounds back on.

Why can't people get it? Eat the recomended serving sizes, eat clean, exercise and count your calories against what you burn per day. It's simple. I lost 50 lbs. in 2011 this way. Even when I screwed up when I was pregnant, I knew WHY I messed up. I wasn't eating the proper portion sizes and I was eating junk. So it wasn't a surprise when I put on some extra pounds.
I'm back on track!
Lost 50 lbs. in 2011, gained a bit back after pregnancy.
If did it once, I can do it again!


Goal #1: 190 lbs. - Met April 29, 2013
Goal #2: 180 lbs. - Met June 9, 2013
Goal #3: 170 lbs. - Met September 6, 2013
Goal #4: 160 lbs.
Goal #5: 150 lbs.
The BIG Goal: 145 lbs.



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