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Spacey47

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Posted: 03 May 2013, 18:09
You have to in my experience use the calculations as a rough guide it is not exact

People also often overestimate how many calories they are burning due to exercise and are often not training as intensely as they think they are not saying this is your case but worth consideration

It doesn't have to be exercise just overall deficit, exercise helps you retain muscle, increases metabolism and general health

I never lost more than about a pound per week on average its not totally linear either,some times you lose 2 lbs some times zero

Try doing an exercise you can definitively measure for me it's power walking. I have a GPS app on my phone which tells me exactly time and distance at my body weight and calories expended

Don't drop calories too low I'm always within 500 of my RDi

availles

Joined: May 13
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Posted: 04 May 2013, 02:25
I try not to get too hung up on counting calories.
I use my fitbugorb to track my activities so that I am happy I am making progress.I try not to eat anything with sugar.I eat more oats for breakfast than bread and follow any advice my fitbugorb program gives me.It works, I am lighter fitter and more healthy than I have ever been.Hope this is useful
Spacey47 wrote:
Thanks Diablo,

I just wanted to start a thread for sane and rational people
I don't claim to be an expert and anyone can contribute as long as they stick to the rules
of no nonsense posts and I think we all know what that means

Please feel free to answer posts and give us your tips, I am always looking to learn new things

Sheysdrm

Joined: Mar 13
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Posted: 04 May 2013, 03:07
Thank you. I've been using http://nutritiondata.self.com/tools/calories-burned to calculate the calories burned for exercise instead of FS and I just list them under "other". It's the sitting, standing, housework etc that I have a hard time believing.
"Hug your children, it matters and let them be children, they have a lifetime to be grown up."
Spacey47

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 03:36
http://www.coreconceptswellness.com/blog/the-sensible-middle-part-1-in-defence-of-calories

Please see an excellent post on the role of calories in weight loss for good general reading and information
suzygirl1017

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 05:55
Spacey47 wrote:
Try doing an exercise you can definitively measure for me it's power walking. I have a GPS app on my phone which tells me exactly time and distance at my body weight and calories expended


Power walking is my choice for cardio as well, I don't sweat (that much) which is good, since I do it on my breaks and lunch at work. We have huge building which I walk around. I do get my heart rate up. I turn my iPod on and go, go,go. My fitbit zip is a nifty gadget which tells me how many miles I walk and steps I take. A regular pedometer would do the trick too, I just decided to buy this one because it smiles at me and tells me how many calories I approx. burn per day.

BTW, speaking of that, the fitbit zip tells me I burn roughly 2500/day. FatSecret tells me I'm burning around 3000. I'm wondering if that's because I'm always on my feet at home, and the fitbit doesn't count the difference between standing and sitting (I literally don't sit down until it's almost time to go to sleep. With 4 kids, dinner to cook, a house to clean, and dishes that don't do themselves, I don't have a choice!) Anyone have any experience with these gadgets?
I'm back on track!
Lost 50 lbs. in 2011, gained a bit back after pregnancy.
If did it once, I can do it again!


Goal #1: 190 lbs. - Met April 29, 2013
Goal #2: 180 lbs. - Met June 9, 2013
Goal #3: 170 lbs. - Met September 6, 2013
Goal #4: 160 lbs.
Goal #5: 150 lbs.
The BIG Goal: 145 lbs.
Spacey47

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 06:15
I tend to put down the other times that I'm not actively walking or working out as
Desk work or sitting. That way I'm always slightly under estimating what I do and with food I tend to slightly over estimate that way creating a bit of a calorie buffer .
suzygirl1017

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 08:11
That sounds like a good idea. I was being very literal with the Fat Secret Exercise calculator.
I'm back on track!
Lost 50 lbs. in 2011, gained a bit back after pregnancy.
If did it once, I can do it again!


Goal #1: 190 lbs. - Met April 29, 2013
Goal #2: 180 lbs. - Met June 9, 2013
Goal #3: 170 lbs. - Met September 6, 2013
Goal #4: 160 lbs.
Goal #5: 150 lbs.
The BIG Goal: 145 lbs.
Wyattj99

Joined: Jul 12
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Posted: 04 May 2013, 11:59
And I know your going to say I'm wasting time on this thread..or I make pointless comments (rolling my eyes) but on the flip side you started a good thread but would like to point out that I for one wouldn't want to be "babied" as you called it but maybe coming off less cocky with some replies I have seen you post on this site would be nice as well too.

Just for the record, I eat whatever I want in moderation, eat my veggies and fruits, workout, and count my calories...I'd say I'm doing it right!!! Smile

Have a good day
1st Goal: 150 lbs
2nd Goal: 135 lbs
3rd Goal: 125 lbs


Jamie
paperiniko

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 12:41
I think that a lot of the confusion in good or bad faith is caused by this rule of the 3500 kcal per pound of fat.

I have been implementing the calorie counting approach for almost 17 months now and obviously it works, but the progression is never linear and most of all what is most important to monitor is the fat% rather than just weight. This is because weight can be affected by several other aspects that do not affect the success of lack of thereof of a particular fat loss strategy.

What I can tell is that in terms of fat loss calories are just calories and a lot of the nonsense spread around by the usual suspects really annoys me.
Of course in terms of general well being it is important also to monitor the quality of the calories and not only its quantity and composition, but that does not mean that a high protein or high carbs approach is inherently better.
Proteins have several good features that make them particularly useful in a calorie controlled diet, without having to buy all the BS about our ancestors and the supposedly better diet of the hunters gatherers that did not have a lot of strokes or cancers for the simple reason that they died young.
The main positive side is that proteins get digested slowly so along with fiber rich foods such as beans (also rich in proteins) they keep you full for longer which helps when trying to eat less. Other than that for fat loss purposes 2000 kcal of chocolate is almost exactly like 2000 kcal of chicken breast.

Another good feature is that when coupled with resistance training they help to retain and increase muscles.

With regards to my personal strategy I do not weigh in any more at fixed intervals (they used to be 2-4 weeks) but whenever I achieve a calorie deficit goal, generally between 20 and 30000 kcal deficit. When I account for my bodymedia 10% accuracy it always predicts very well my weight/fat trends. Of course there is always some aproximation in the short term.

That is the reason why the weigh in intervals are growing considerably, because it is way harder to generate deficits now that I have lost 70 pounds and I almost never eat less than 2200-2500 kcal (often more). Still monitoring the calories has put me in control and while I eat (and a few times overeat) everything there is one rule that I never break that is to log my food (all).

Doing this has allowed me to basically get rid of the scale in the last 10 months during which I only used it 3-4 times and still loose fat and weight (albeit at a slower pace of course), but at the end of every day I always know where my deficit stands vs the last time I weighed in, so if for instance I have had 1 or 2 days of overeating I just need to budget for them.

Since October I moved my food log to my fitness pal since FS does not sync with bodymedia, although I still prefer FS log in absolute terms, but being able to log and sync calories burnt and eaten make the whole process quite easy and allows me to keep in check.
Spacey47

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 13:42
Wyattj99 wrote:
And I know your going to say I'm wasting time on this thread..or I make pointless comments (rolling my eyes) but on the flip side you started a good thread but would like to point out that I for one wouldn't want to be "babied" as you called it but maybe coming off less cocky with some replies I have seen you post on this site would be nice as well too.

Just for the record, I eat whatever I want in moderation, eat my veggies and fruits, workout, and count my calories...I'd say I'm doing it right!!! Smile

Have a good day


???? You seem to be taking this thread as if it was a personal attack on you

I have no idea why

All the best
Spacey47

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 13:47
@paperinko

Excellent and interesting post, I have found as I have now got down to a good level basically maintenance mode
Any further fat loss gets much more difficult

I'm thinking of going on what body builders call a "cut" to get ripped for summer I.e. sub 10% bf which will take a bit more of an extreme approach I think
Wyattj99

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 13:55
That is what I meant by how your cocky...I had no indication that I take this thread seriously. Was just pointing out a helpful hint.
1st Goal: 150 lbs
2nd Goal: 135 lbs
3rd Goal: 125 lbs


Jamie
Spacey47

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Posted: 04 May 2013, 14:08
I really have no idea what you are on about, or why you feel the need to say you personally don't need to be babied or what you eat ....

This thread was ticking along very nicely people exchanging good ideas n'all till you poured a little scorn on proceedings

Maybe just leave it at that
LowCarbFemme...

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Posted: 05 May 2013, 13:16
Spacey47 -

If I want to post a calculator to help lulu4lolo calculate her ratio's of protein, fat and carbs, and only mean good by it, I don't appreciate your cocky answer of:

Sorry this post is in violation of the rules of this thread. In that low carb eating has no scientific basis for being more effective at lowering weight under scientifically controlled conditions than any other diet of the same calories. Please delete your post and start your own thread if this is what you want to post.

Let ppl voice their idea's and opinions whether in your opinion it has a scientific basis or not. Why? Because, they are allowed to. Enough said.


fatoldlady

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Posted: 05 May 2013, 14:34
Spacey47 wrote:
I really have no idea what you are on about, or why you feel the need to say you personally don't need to be babied or what you eat ....

This thread was ticking along very nicely people exchanging good ideas n'all till you poured a little scorn on proceedings

Maybe just leave it at that


It is very annoying when someone comes into a good discussion and tries to push their ideas that are totally contrary to the thread. Hmmm...where have I seen that before. Ohh I remember, its most of your posts Spacey. Whenever anyone starts a discussion that doesn't agree with your view you push your way in there in a rude, condescending manner. Yet when someone expresses an opinion that you don't agree with in your post you are offended. If you want people to respect your rules, you have to show some respect for them.
ClassicRocke...

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Posted: 05 May 2013, 15:01
The discussion here can be considered an IMHO... In My Humble Opinion. As with other parts of our bodies, we all have one. We're all different and use different approaches to weight loss. I gain on Weight Watchers, but I'm not going to discourage another person from trying it as it may very well be perfect for them. My husband's neurologist lost 140lbs. using the WW online program.

Dieting as with abstinence from alcohol if you're an alcoholic. Doesn't matter how you do it, just as long as you accomplish your goals and are making yourself a much healthier person.

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Spacey47

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Posted: 05 May 2013, 15:27
fatoldlady wrote:
Spacey47 wrote:
I really have no idea what you are on about, or why you feel the need to say you personally don't need to be babied or what you eat ....

This thread was ticking along very nicely people exchanging good ideas n'all till you poured a little scorn on proceedings

Maybe just leave it at that


It is very annoying when someone comes into a good discussion and tries to push their ideas that are totally contrary to the thread. Hmmm...where have I seen that before. Ohh I remember, its most of your posts Spacey. Whenever anyone starts a discussion that doesn't agree with your view you push your way in there in a rude, condescending manner. Yet when someone expresses an opinion that you don't agree with in your post you are offended. If you want people to respect your rules, you have to show some respect for them.


I have absolutely no problem with a good discussion and a contrary view its what stimulates conversation and makes for intelligent discourse

The quote you are using is not making a point on what is being discussed contrary or otherwise
What it is ,is someone taking a thread as a personal insult/attack and then reporting back quite childishly as to why it didn't relate to them!


As for any programme of course any can be successful....as long as a calorie deficit is being maintained
Spacey47

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Posted: 05 May 2013, 15:32
LowCarbFemmeFit wrote:
Spacey47 -

If I want to post a calculator to help lulu4lolo calculate her ratio's of protein, fat and carbs, and only mean good by it, I don't appreciate your cocky answer of:

Sorry this post is in violation of the rules of this thread. In that low carb eating has no scientific basis for being more effective at lowering weight under scientifically controlled conditions than any other diet of the same calories. Please delete your post and start your own thread if this is what you want to post.

Let ppl voice their idea's and opinions whether in your opinion it has a scientific basis or not. Why? Because, they are allowed to. Enough said.


Well the name of the thread is scientific and rational if its not scientifically proven which low carb certainly isn't don't post it.

The fat secret app tells you how much carb fat and protein you are eating so your calculator is redundant in any case
Wyattj99

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Posted: 05 May 2013, 21:03
fatoldlady wrote:
Spacey47 wrote:
I really have no idea what you are on about, or why you feel the need to say you personally don't need to be babied or what you eat ....

This thread was ticking along very nicely people exchanging good ideas n'all till you poured a little scorn on proceedings

Maybe just leave it at that


It is very annoying when someone comes into a good discussion and tries to push their ideas that are totally contrary to the thread. Hmmm...where have I seen that before. Ohh I remember, its most of your posts Spacey. Whenever anyone starts a discussion that doesn't agree with your view you push your way in there in a rude, condescending manner. Yet when someone expresses an opinion that you don't agree with in your post you are offended. If you want people to respect your rules, you have to show some respect for them.


Thank you very well said.
1st Goal: 150 lbs
2nd Goal: 135 lbs
3rd Goal: 125 lbs


Jamie
Spacey47

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Posted: 06 May 2013, 01:20
Wyattj99 wrote:

Thank you very well said.


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