CALORIE COUNTERS VS. PORTION WATCHERS? OR BOTH?

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Slim100

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 11:11
I completely disagree with the statement that recording your food etc is obsessive or ocd. That is the most out there statement I have heard -- it helps in seeing what works and doesn't, helps us to eat healthy, helps to keep you more aware of how much and what you are eating and putting in your body. I track each day and it takes me all of a few minutes -- I am sure the individuals who are saying this do things in there day that take more time then this and it is not obessive (wheter it is wtching tv, exercising, reading, etc etc). Had to put my 2 cents in as being able to track helps you live a healthier life and see what foods work and what foods don't over a period of time.
eKatherine

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 11:16
Recording everything you eat for the rest of your life may be what you think is necessary for you, and it may work for you. But it is highly unnatural and unnecessary, given that we were born with hunger and appetites that can be reclaimed. The idea that everybody who is overweight can and should count calories and do daily analysis for the rest of their lives is just silly.
Spacey47

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 11:37
eKatherine wrote:
Recording everything you eat for the rest of your life may be what you think is necessary for you, and it may work for you. But it is highly unnatural and unnecessary, given that we were born with hunger and appetites that can be reclaimed. The idea that everybody who is overweight can and should count calories and do daily analysis for the rest of their lives is just silly.


sorry BUT you do talk the most awful nonsense

'HIGHLY UNNATURAL' 'HIGHLY UNNECESSARY'

what absolute rot,

Do you have a TV?...highly unnatural- we weren't born with TV's were we?

Do you have a car or travel on a train or bus highly
unnatural...YOU HAVE LEGS!

Practically everything you do from the clothes you wear
to the chemicals you use to wash yourself and your clothes are HIGHLY UNNATURAL yet you do it everyday!

we are Humans and we have evolved to create TOOLS this is just one of them to make our lives easier.


Evidence shows that people who keep food diaries are far more likely to not only lose weight but to KEEP IT OFF long term, why abandon the very thing that got you where you want to be?


maintenance requires consistency and accountability
3 minutes a day to support that seems the actions of highly evolve beings to me, especially those with a history of Obesity and weight gain.

without checking YOYO dieting beckons



"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

Thomas Jefferson




jonnybadback

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 12:18
Never said it was ocd. Everyone's entitled to an opinion as eKatherine and Spacey are showing. Spacey has not taken offence and nobody else should. It was not a statement of fact but an opinion. opinion is part of the forum
Spacey47

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 12:51
jonnybadback wrote:
I think when it becomes a habit to count calories and exercise once you reach your ideal then it borders on ocd. Now before Spacey bites my head off i am not saying he has ocd. My personal choice would be to make correct personal choices based on my past intake and just keep an eye on the scales for fluctuations. Carry on the exercise but that can be an addiction too for endorphines. All said its personal choice but i wouldn't want to be a slave to habit.


Keeping it cordial!

Your post would indicate that after reaching your goal to carry on with the habit of counting calories and training 'borders on ocd'

Why change and possibly slip back into bad habits which so many obese people do and probably helps explain why so many people put back on the weight they have lost, clearly the more relaxed approach does not work for many people

The issue is like an alcoholic, drug addict or some one with a medical condition the best way to
deal with it is on a daily basis. People have talked about food addiction treat it in the same way as any other addiction

Slave to habits? We ALL do things habitually, its how we deal with the world, the difference is between Good and Bad habits.

A habit that takes but a few minutes a day yet Keeps your health on track seems like a good habit to me and worth the minimal effort required

The benefits of maintaining regular exercise is well documented and should be a lifetime good habit

mrspackrat

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 13:13
For some counting calories helps them visualize the right portion and eventually I think you'll just know what portions look like in order to stay within what's a good calorie range for you. But more importantly all calories are not equal. Really, if you are filling your body with pure junk (cream cheese, cream, fatty meats) and you cut your calories dramatically you'll lose weight but you'll also probably drop dead.
this damn tracker below hasn't been right in months! My current weight is 137!
countess...

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 14:13
im doing a mixture of both , im under a hospital dietition as i am morbidly obese ...im dieting and losing nut doing it with permanent changes maybe i will be able to stop calorie counting maybe i wont , but i think i will always have to portion control
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jonnybadback

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 15:15
Ah Spacey as i said its only my personal choice on how i would be. We all have to find our ways of doing things from the start of the journey to where we want to be. would never say it was a bad habit Smile
Spacey47

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 15:45
I just find it funny that people who come to this site and are using the fatsecret application, who are getting results with it talk about ditching it as soon as they reach their goal!

Seems a tad baby and bathwater to me


I would say longterm is probably the time you need it most to prevent falling back into bad habits

What really works for me is that it holds your actions and choices right in your face which is a huge aid to compliance
But doesn't require much effort to do
jonnybadback

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 16:25
I will go with that sentiment but shouldn't there come a time of confidence for baby to cut the apron strings?
Spacey47

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 16:53
not necessarily iin this case its just a tool that is very efective for maintaining compliance.

dieters have a terrible record for regaining weight they have lost and the whole yoyo dieting syndrome, why stop using a very effective strategy if it can keep you on the right track for life with very little input needed from yourself i mean 3 minutes a day ?

its abit like telling someone with a condition, who has it under control to stop taking their meds.

reaching the goal is only stage 1..stage 2 is the rest of your life maintaining ahealthy weight and fitness level..use whatever tools you have available to succeed .

i mean if you dont need it in the future, why bother now?

just go ad hoc and portion control

wholefoodnut

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 19:43
Honestly it takes me way less time to scribble what I eat in a notebook, use a calorie book, or look it up here and add it up than enter the items here. I/m trying to enter food here. I have trouble getting to 1200 calories a day if I'm eating healthy and the rdl says it should be 1400. I'm ususlly less than 1000 cal. I think my gain is mostly ezercise related. Went from an active job to a desk. Now with asthma issues my activity has decreased more. I am working on stepping that up as well as being careful what I eat.

Enjoy the summer and the sunshine.

Jeri
jonnybadback

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Posted: 06 Feb 2013, 20:25
Spacey we all have to do what we do. A lot of the forums talk about education. Surely in losing weight and re-educating the way we eat then we should reach the point in understanding the limitations of what and how we eat. I know that i would have in the past easily eaten half a plate of chips 4 sausages beans and some onion rings. Even now i would reduce the chips to less than a quarter of a plate, sausages down to 2, salad and no beans, sliced onions instead of battered rings. But even that i would call a feast as i have re-educated myself to recognise a healthy portion size and it would not necessarily mean i would have had much else for the day. Whilst on the journey of weight loss i use the tools available and educate myself. The tool will always be there if i need it after i reach my goal. If i paint a door i don't throw the brush away, i clean it and store it away as i might need to touch up the paintwork if it gets chipped.
Spacey47

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Posted: 07 Feb 2013, 01:43
fair enough if you think that will work for you but then i dont think you have ever been morbidly obese like many of the people who come on here and neither have i.

for me i quite enjoy the science of it and the clarity without guessing if i want to eat soemthing extra or not

i could probably do it without the app as well i prety much know what i eat but i prefer the certainty of knowing for a fact


However for very Obese people or those who have been i think they should just stick with it as thery will likely need the constant reminder in the same way as an alcoholic or drug addict

jonnybadback

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Posted: 07 Feb 2013, 03:40
I can certainly agree with you on all the points raised there and i will hold onto my paintbrush Smile
lipoadvisor

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Posted: 07 Feb 2013, 04:15
kmfife wrote:
i've been doing a lot of google research since starting my diet, guilty me.. and i read lots of information where some say "COUNT CALORIES!!" and some just say, eat whatever, watch your portions.. for me it's easier to count calories. i like to know when i'm in my zone, and when i'm nearing the end of my intake limit. what about the rest of you?


If you ask me i just try to eat 6 meals per day, drink almost 10 cups of water and follow a balanced diet (carbs, fat, fibers, much protein etc)! Its quite a stress to count the calories i consume everyday
Ambrose D. - hope this site will help me achieve my goals!
Spacey47

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Posted: 07 Feb 2013, 05:48
Why would you eat 6 meals a day?
eKatherine

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Posted: 07 Feb 2013, 11:55
Spacey47 wrote:
Why would you eat 6 meals a day?


Probably because lots of people say you have to, just like lots of people say the only thing that matters for weight loss is calories-in vs calories-out.

Beyond the fat vs protein vs carbs distinction: Hidden truths about calories.
Spacey47

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Posted: 07 Feb 2013, 12:18
or calories absorbed

but then we have already discussed this
jonnybadback

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Posted: 07 Feb 2013, 12:32
My gorilla has trouble absorbing but that was another story...



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