"Fat-shaming may curb obesity" ???

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jonnybadback

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Posted: 02 Feb 2013, 17:01
Stroking your ego and yourself at the same time. Yes nip over to marksdailyapple and read how he abused people their too.
jonnybadback

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Posted: 02 Feb 2013, 17:04
@verge

I don't think its unreasonable to blame the food industry but they are not the food police and dont tell us what to eat. they are obliged to tell us the ingredients and calories, the rest is down to us.
Verge2001

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Posted: 02 Feb 2013, 18:07
@Jonny
Instinctively, I agree with you. But...I was talking about children, I don't agree with completely blaming the 'rents either when children are faced with disturbing choices even at school. Patterns in the human brain that we will struggle with or have been blessed to have are pretty much permanent, and formed before we are even 5 years old (approximately).
I dunno. I am with you that we have not yet learned to cope with the speed of our technology and learned to stay as active as earlier generations have. I am hopeful that as childhood obesity and metabolic syndrome in younger people becomes more prevalent that we may begin to see a sea change. Some companies, like Nestle, are taking their role a little more seriously and paying for studies to understand how they are contributing to this problem.
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jonnybadback

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Posted: 02 Feb 2013, 19:55
@verge
I do dislike that the designers use all the tricks of the trade to entice children. Children are not stupid but they are easily manipulated by designs cartoons free gifts etc, its bad enough with toy sales at xmas( there's a post for another forum) let alone with food. I was not aware of the nestle study but the skeptic in me would have concerns how they would use the information. Personally i would have a preference for no advertising of foods during prime children's tv time as it might help in handing back control to parents. At the end of the day they put a blanket ban on smoking advertising which has helped in the reduction of smoking but does not stop people smoking and it would probably be the same for food advertising.
DarleneW101

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 07:23
putting aside the squabbles and getting back to the point.....
The food industry is just that - an industry - one that is out to make money, and as much of it as possible. They are not there to help anyone. They are not there to guide anyone to eat in a healthy way.
Unfortunately, though, the very people that have set up our guidelines for what is "healthy" are the ones who are in bed with much of the same people that make up the food industry. Quite a conflict of interest really.
What Americans have been told is a "healthy diet" for the past few decades is behind much of the obesity problem. By lowering our fats and increasing our carb intake (which, by the way, is where most of the food industry's money comes from) people are continuing to get get fat. This is not as simple as people eat too much and don't move enough. I know because I'm one of those people who got fat by eating what I was told was a healthy diet. I ate a low fat/high carb diet for years and tried to lose weight. I went to gym and exercised. I am not a lazy person. I am not an over-eater or a glutton. I still gained weight - while I was trying to lose weight. I cut down my calories to under 1700 a day. I was ALWAYS hungry and bitchy. It got me no where but heavier.
Now, did shame of my weight help me lose weight? Of course not! Did eating less and moving more help me lose weight? NOPE!
EDUCATION - that is what has helped me. Reading everything I could get a hold of. Watching every documentary I could find. Researching on the internet. Learning what a "healthy" diet is for MY body. THAT is what is helping me lose weight and become healthier.
THAT is what the American people need. Not bullying or shame.
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jonnybadback

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 07:52
Hopefully the squabbler has gone away now

@darlene
I do agree with you. Profit is profit and it makes no difference what the industry is. There are so many ways to shed weight and as you so rightly point out we are all different. I am a great believer in that there is no right way to shed the pounds and you have to find what is right for you and you have to enjoy it too. Education and tools are the key but acceptance of the difference in people should be understood.
The thread started about shaming people. That is wrong and should never be condoned. Being overweight does not always mean being unhealthy eg sumo wrestler, and being lean does not mean being fit. I've seen a lot of muscle gym types who got out of breath running up stairs even tho they were physically strong
Spacey47

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 09:28
@Darlene

You may have found a diet that you are able to stick with because it is more satisfying and satiating than your previous
High carb diet, but the fact remains that to put on weight a person has to consume more calories than they are expending. You could live on a diet of cola and cakes but if you used more calories than you ate, you would not put on weight......You wouldn't be very healthy either

Every ward controlled study of different diets comparing them as long as the calories were the same there is no difference to weight loss

No matter what you do or think you are doing its calories

Visit Anthony Colpos site this guy talks more sense that he can emphatically back up with 'scientific' evidence

Many low carb and other dietary 'gurus' have tried to put one over on him

None have succeeded
DarleneW101

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 09:58
Actually, a calorie is a calorie is a calorie is a bunch of BS.

Our bodies use different types of foods in different ways. If one eats something full of sugar or high in starch, it is treated differently than if we eat something that is sugar free or low in starch (ie - higher in fat). These are not myths and not pushed by "gurus" nor is it a fad diet. It is science taught by doctors and backed up by scientific facts. And just because someone disagrees with this science does not make it any less so.
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jonnybadback

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 10:23
@darlene

Totally agree. The absorbion of calories differs for everyone based on the composition of the calorie, metabolism, medical conditions based on meds. This is why different eating methods work for different people. There will always be people who simplify the basis of thermogenics but that theory is based on physics and not biology which is overlooked so often.
BgIrn

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 11:09
DarleneW101 wrote:
Actually, a calorie is a calorie is a calorie is a bunch of BS.

Our bodies use different types of foods in different ways. If one eats something full of sugar or high in starch, it is treated differently than if we eat something that is sugar free or low in starch (ie - higher in fat). These are not myths and not pushed by "gurus" nor is it a fad diet. It is science taught by doctors and backed up by scientific facts. And just because someone disagrees with this science does not make it any less so.


I appreciate the discussion, but your first statement is false. Your second paragraph is correct. Macro nutrients are handled differently but the body, but they are still measured in calories.

Fat: 1 gram = 9 Calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 Calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 Calories

If you have any information to the contrary, please post it up.
Spacey47

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 12:05
like i said vist colpos site for anything you need to know


show us some scientically validated ward studies that show this ....you cant because they dont exist
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btw if calories are NOT ABSORBED then you havent consumed them

a bit like how bulimics dont put on weight as they re gurgitate most of what they eat ..if you digest it.... a calorie is a calorie that is physics!

jonnybadback

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 12:22
no one said not absorbed. i don't think a book selling blogger is exactly a ward study. You love to ask people for referral to scientific studies and facts. Well do it, show us a scientific paper that supports what you say for a change.
Spacey47

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 13:56
Read colpos site, there are loads of links to the studies he discusses in his books and blog
jonnybadback

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 14:08
I don't need to read a blog. That's like me saying to you to look at the internet there are studies there too.
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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 14:15
jonnybadback wrote:
Stroking your ego and yourself at the same time. Yes nip over to marksdailyapple and read how he abused people their too.


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BgIrn wrote:
Fat: 1 gram = 9 Calories Protein: 1 gram = 4 Calories Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 Calories


You forgot Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 Calories (from ethanol) Razz hehe!

(carbs & protein = glocose, fat = ketones, & alcohol = ethanol).

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DarleneW101

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 18:33
I guess I worded that wrong. What I meant - that it absolutely matters what kind of calories I eat. If I eat 1500 calories of high carb foods, I gain weight. No question about it. I have lived it. If I eat 1500 calories a day of low carb foods, I lose weight. Again, I've lived it.
I don't need Colpos or any other blogger to sell me a book to tell me other wise.
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DarleneW101

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 18:40
and to add to the mix...TOM after being 77 days late and now I could gain weight for sneezing the wrong way. LOL
Just pointing out that a 20 or 30-something is going to be having a different reaction to foods than a 40 or 50-something will.
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BgIrn

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 20:14
1500 calories of carbohydrate and 1500 calories of fat or protein is 1500 calories of energy.

A calorie is a unit of measure, of energy, specifically thermic energy. What makes up that unit of measure is irrelevant.

A calorie is a calorie, just as a pound of feathers is the same weight as a pound of lead.
eKatherine

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 20:30
A calorie is a calorie and absolutely interchangeable, just as any vitamin or mineral is just a vitamin or mineral and interchangeable with any other vitamin or mineral. All macronutrients are processed and utilized by the body in exactly the same way, whether they be protein, carbohydrates, fat, or alcohol.

We are not complex biological organisms, rather we can be reduced to a few simple chemical reactions.
erika2633

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Posted: 03 Feb 2013, 22:56
eKatherine wrote:
A calorie is a calorie and absolutely interchangeable, just as any vitamin or mineral is just a vitamin or mineral and interchangeable with any other vitamin or mineral.


I thought I was reading the thread pretty thoroughly and never saw anyone saying anything about vitamins and minerals, so I'm not sure why you are stretching to try to make this comparison. Although I appreciate the snark and sarcasm, vitamins and minerals are not calories and have no place in that discussion.


This blog/article discusses the merit of caloric deficit and links to some interesting studies at the end. One thing that really made me think of this thread was the reference to the Twinkie diet that a professor went on for 10 weeks and lost 27 pounds. Do I think he's healthier for eating only junk food for 10 weeks? No. But did he lose weight by creating a caloric deficit? Absolutely.


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