Low calories, high carb diet?

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KobieKleyn

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Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 00:55
I've tried many times before the low carb/high proteiene diet, but couldn't stuck with it! If what you want is low calories - what about an eating plan with high carbs(75g) but that is low in calories? (Less than 1200?)
Will this work? I am on day 5 now! Lost 3.5lb. Any suggestions?! I am desperate. Want to lose 10kg in 10weeks!
Catskinner

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Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 01:21
IMHO high carb low cal is a losing option for two main reasons:

1. It's also a low nutrition density diet so you won't get the RDI of many vitamins and minerals

2. It's often a starvation diet (about 60-50%) of the RDI

Both will cause your metabolism to get into stress, lose some weight in the first week and subsequently push your body into a lower metabolism rate, which will give you a total sum of zero loss, but will also make you tired, cranky and hungry.

That's about it and you should first check if you are eating enough and had a real low carb intake, because most of us who claim they are on low carb arn't really doing it and end up with a low carb/low fat moderate protein and low cal diet and I don't think it's either sustainable or a successful strategy.
Snow833

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Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 02:20
Don't listen to catskinner. I'm on that diet, my pie chart is usually about: 60% carbs, 20%protein, 20%fat. I get my carbs from veggies and fruits so I have a lot of vitamins and minerals.Proteins from chicken, fish and eggs. Fat from dairy products. I'm not cranky, hungry or tired. I have lots of energy and I exercise every day. It is a low calorie diet so not everybody can handle it but it may be just what you need. High carb diet doesn't mean eating candy,pizza,white bread,rice and pasta. You can have that occasinaly. Replace that with veggies and the pounds will drop. I don't know how people think that the atkins diet:high fat and protein is healthy. I look at some diet calendars of their followers and i see an apple a day and half a cucumber, so not much minerals or vitamins and a pie chart with 60% fat. A heart attack just waiting to happen.
Catskinner

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Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 04:33
She doesn't have to listen to me but you should check your facts beforehand. The Atkins diet is not a diet high in protein.It's a low carb moderate protein (1.2-1.6 g/per kg of body weight) diet.As to the causation of heart attack by dietary fat, well it's a nice myth but unsupported by science so far. Also, since half of the vitamins everybody needs are fat soluble, restricting fat isn't always the best strategy for good health.
Snow833

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Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 05:10
I said it's high in fat not proteins. It's just my personal opinion that it's not healthy to restrict from veggies and fruits and to eat eggs, red meat,bacon, etc everyday. I look trough the diet plans of atkins followers and it's so unhealthy what I see there it makes me cringe. Anyways good luck Kobie Wink
Babyface

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Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 11:01
Read Good Calories, Bad Calories if you are interested in the science of fat loss. Read WebMD and Oprah Magazine if you are interested in unexamined conventional wisdom.
celestialnob...

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Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 11:31
I must add that the Atkins diet is an extremely SPECIFIC diet, and most people who are doing it are not actually following it correctly. Going by random folks' food journals is misleading. For instance, many people do not get the carbs they are supposed to get from vegetables that are on the induction list. Fruits do not come until much later when your carb limit is higher and your diet can handle it while still getting the nutrients from the veggies. If you are eating the lower carb, mineral and vitamin dense veggies on induction, as you are supposed to, that is three cups a day. That is the strictest phase of the diet meant to jump start your weight loss.

People also confuse the Induction phase with the entirety of the diet, which is not the case. Atkins done properly is a lifetime program where you increases complex carbs as you go along until you hit the point where you are maintaining. Perhaps in the Lifetime Maintenance phase some folks may add a few simple carbs back into their plan, but on the whole, I think eating low carb where nearly all of the carbs are the right kind is much healthier and much more sustainable than any other plan I've seen.
KobieKleyn

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Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 11:42
Thanks for all your input and advice. I would most defnitely look into the good/bad calories! I totally agree that there is a great misunderstanding with regards to the Atkins diet. The right kind of vegetables are an important part of any diet.
seafood_eate...

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Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 08:56
Want to try something healthy that will work? If you can, give up all grains. The science behind it is the grains screw up your insulin balance which then promotes fat storage. Then eat what you want within reason. You will probably find yourself loading up on lots of healthy nutrient-rich carbs.
atriel2

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Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 09:28
This is one of the reasons that I hate fatsecret some days.
KobieKleyn - 3.5 lbs in 5 days is actually pretty impressive. There is a lot of science behind low carb diets like Atkins and speaking strictly for my self, my nutritionist put me on an extremely low carb diet to drop my triglycerides and blood sugar. It's working.
But, I think that it mostly comes down to what works for you and what you're able to do for a sustained amount of time. If low calorie / high carb is working for you, do it.
Low carb works for me (and a lot of other people, too) so I'm doing it. Remember that 'diet' means what you eat on a daily basis and you should be shooting for weight loss for short term and a lifestyle change for the long term.
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Babyface

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Posted: 15 Oct 2012, 11:15
A diet that you can't stick to, for whatever reason, is not going to work for you. I also have found that what works for one person at one point in her life may not work later! When I was in my 20s, I lost almost 20 lbs by simply swearing off all diets. Then, in my 30s, I started to gain weight so I started regular aerobic exercise. That work great until my 40s, when I had to add more exercise and portion control to maintain my best weight. In my early 50s, classic, Atkins-type low carb worked like magic--the weight I'd gained at the end of my 40s fell off in a matter of weeks and stayed off almost effortlessly. Then menopause hit! I gained 17 lbs in one year (at 4 feet 11 inches, thats a lot!). Now, I am struggling to reverse that gain with a combination of all approaches: low carb, 1100 cals daily, regular exercise. I have so far stopped the gain, but no reversal to speak of yet. Some urge me to go raw vegan, but I really don't think I could stick to that for more than a few hours Embarassed
Stella1964

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Posted: 15 Oct 2012, 11:24
seafood_eater wrote:
Want to try something healthy that will work? If you can, give up all grains. The science behind it is the grains screw up your insulin balance which then promotes fat storage. Then eat what you want within reason. You will probably find yourself loading up on lots of healthy nutrient-rich carbs.


Couldn't agree more! Wheat Belly book is a wake-up call.
Jannabelle

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Posted: 15 Oct 2012, 13:02
I'm 56, and the first thing my Dr. said to be during my annual visit last week was to read "Wheat Belly" She actually hear the author (a Milwaukee cardiologist) speak about the book, and is practicing what she's preaching. Makes a lot of sense....get the book or "google" it and see what you think.
Jannabelle

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Posted: 16 Oct 2012, 07:13
Wheat Belly: Quick and Dirty

Posted on October 13, 2011 by Dr. Davis

For everyone who asked for a simplified, essentials-only version of the diet I advocate in Wheat Belly, here it is.
This is the very same diet I advise for patients in my office that achieves spectacular reductions in small LDL particles (the #1 cause of heart disease in the U.S), as well as unraveling diabetic/pre-diabetic tendencies. The diet starts with the biggest step: elimination of wheat. But a healthy diet cannot end there, else you and I could eat no wheat but fill our calories with soft drinks and jelly beans. So the next step is to limit carbohydrates if your goal is to lose more weight and correct metabolic distortions like high blood sugar and small LDL particles.
Eliminate:
All wheat-based products (all breads, all breakfast cereals, noodles, pasta, bagels, muffins, pancakes, waffles, donuts, pretzels, crackers), oat products (oatmeal, oat bran), cornstarch-based products (sauces or gravies thickened with cornstarch, prepared or processed foods containing cornstarch, cornmeal products like chips, tacos, tortillas), sugary soft drinks, candies
Enjoy unlimited:
Vegetables-except potatoes; fresh or frozen, never canned
Raw nuts and seeds-raw almonds, walnuts, pecans, hazelnuts, pistachios, Brazil nuts, cashews; dry-roasted peanuts (not roasted in oil); pumpkin and sunflower seeds
Healthy oils (unheated)-olive, flaxseed, coconut, avocado, walnut
Meats-red meats, pork, fish, chicken, turkey, eggs. (Consider free-range, grass-fed and/or organic sources.)
Non-wheat grains-ground flaxseed, chia seeds
Teas, coffee, water, unsweetened almond milk, coconut milk or coconut water
Cheeses—real cultured cheeses only (not Velveeta or single-slice processed cheese)
Avocado or guacamole; hummus; unsweetened condiments, e.g., mayonnaise, mustard, oil-based salad dressings; ketchup without high-fructose corn syrup; pesto, tapenades; olives
Limited:
Fruit-No more than 2 servings a day (one serving is a level handful), preferably in this order (best first): berries of all varieties, citrus, apples, nectarines, peaches, melons. Minimize bananas, pineapples, mangoes, and grapes
Fruit juices-only real juices and in minimal quantities (no more than 2-4 oz)
Dairy products-No more than 1 serving per day of milk, cottage cheese or yogurt, unsweetened (Fat content does not matter.)
Legumes/beans; peas; sweet potatoes and yams; rice (white and brown); soy
Dark chocolates-70-85% cocoa or greater; no more than 40 grams (approximately 2 inches square) per day
Sugar-free foods-preferably stevia-containing, rather than aspartame
Never:
Fried foods
Fast foods
Hydrogenated “trans” fats
Cured meats-hot dogs, sausages, bacon, bologna, pepperoni
High-fructose corn syrup containing foods; honey; agave syrup; sucrose
Processed rice, rice flour or potato products-rice crackers, rice cereals, pretzels, white breads, breakfast cereals, potato chips
Fat-free or low-fat salad dressings
”Gluten-free” foods
Quick tips:
For healthy breakfast choices, consider ground flaxseed as a hot cereal (e.g., with soy milk, milk, or unsweetened almond milk; blueberries, strawberries, etc.). Also consider eggs; raw nuts; cheese; consider having “dinner for breakfast,” meaning transferring salads, cheese, chicken, and other “dinner” foods to breakfast.
Add 1 tsp or more of taste-compatible healthy oil to every meal. For example, mix in 1 tbsp flaxseed oil to ground flaxseed hot cereal. Or add 2 tbsp olive oil to eggs after scrambling. Adding oils will blunt appetite.
If you suspect you have a wheat “addiction,” use the first week to add healthy oils to every meal and reduce the amount of wheat by half. In the second week, aim for elimination of wheat while maintaining the oils.
Reach for raw nuts first as a convenient snack.
douglerner

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Posted: 19 Oct 2012, 01:39
I've tried Atkins before and could not lose weight. And I think Gary Taubes, "Good Calories, Bad Calories" is incorrect and have posted a lot about his theories on my blog and why I don't think they make sense.

As for me, this is week 22 of being on the diet suggested by Dean Ornish and Caldwell Esselstyn (the same kind of diet Bill Clinton went on). It's basically vegan + no added oils + no nuts/seeds.

22 weeks later I've lost 52 lb, my blood sugar is down from an HbA1c of 10.4 to 5.9 (without medication), my total cholesterol is 130 and my LDL is just 70. My blood pressure is current 116/68.

I have great energy and also go cycling every day.

Low carb diets can work for some people, if your appetite is suppressed enough to reduce your net calorie intake enough to lose weight. That didn't work for me, and it doesn't work for many people. In fact, if you read the fine print at the Atkins site they admit calories do count and if you are not losing weight you need to check to make sure you aren't eating too many calories, fat, protein, etc. in addition to carbs. So it's just a means to an end: reducing calories.

On my diet, by eliminating animal products and added oils it's basically impossible for me to exceed the calorie limit of 1800/day recommended by my doctor. I am not starving myself at all.

My high-carb, reasonable protein, extremely low fat has been very successful for me by any objective measure.

doug
Diablo360x

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Posted: 19 Oct 2012, 08:08
Gary Taubes has been debunked. Calories are calories when it comes to bodyweight. It would also be nice if people stopped talking about carbs and insulin as if it affects fat storage at all. Also, changing your metabolism takes A LOT. 99% of us will never have to worry about it.

My diet is mostly carbs. Love it.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
samblumberg

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Posted: 10 Sep 2013, 05:00
hi everyone. i have been on the dukan diet for a month now and lost 5kg. i have always found that i lost the most weight (and sustained that) on very low carb, hi protein food programme. If I allow myself any lee-way, i tend to fall off the wagon. I am on a protein day and am doing ok. I made the mistake of eating carbs (marshmallows) on Friday and paid the price by putting on .5 kg! Scary how the body reacts to even tiny changes. Anyone else taken this route? Long term I will introduce the basics back in (the consolidation phase) but right now am in the cruise phase (1 day protein, 1 day protein veg). I also keep a calorie counter to keep track of my eating so that I am below the RDI for my weight. I haven't had chocolate etc in a month! I feel better for it. I also exercise a lot : I run, play squash and do pilates. But my body seems to be stuck at 90.1 and has vacilated between 89.1 and 90.1 since Friday. Am getting frustrated. sob sobCrying or Very sad
samblumberg

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Posted: 10 Sep 2013, 05:00
i need to lose 10 kgs before Dec. so this is a short term thing. am I on the right page?



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