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Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 11:32
paperiniko wrote:
says who?

MSs and LAcs...
Many professionals, researchers, and educators who support an ancestral mode of nourishment would not encourage any need for grain (no matter the color) in the human diet.

also consider Dr. Loren Cordain's research at Colorado State University:

as well as the research of Mark Sisson:


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Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 18:17
I am not entirely sure those ancestors of ours had such a great and healthy lifestyle and there are plenty of PhDs etc that support all sorts of bizarre theories to say the least.
All serious controlled studies and researches tell a different story from those supported by the low carb industry.

If you feel eating low carb is great and sustainable for you that's great but claiming that we do not need more than 50 grams net carb whatever that means would require some serious supporting evidence that I do not read anywhere.
There is plenty of charlatans and self styled diet gurus out there and there are a lot of absolutely baseless diet myths that people keep repeating all the time especially with regards to carbs, meal timing, insuline etc. Almost none of these claims have ever been supported by serious and well designed studies with a large enough sample and not for lack of funding by the low carb lobby

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Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 18:59
I'm not sure if someone else may have already mentioned this, as I didn't read through all the comments. But I wanted to comment regarding the GI value of different foods. I noticed there was a post indicating that GI value didn't matter when it came to weight loss. (I think that's what it meant, it was a bit technical for me.) Anyways, GI value is a measurement of the "quality" of the food you eat, meaning how well does it satisfy hunger over time in addition to how it affects the blood sugar levels. Foods with a lower GI value, cause less of a spike in your blood sugar, and tend to keep you feeling full longer as your body takes longer to digest them. This in turn enables you to eat less calories of low GI foods and remain satisfied. High GI foods tend to cause a spike in blood sugar, causing you to feel full, but then quickly become hungry again. There are various health side effects to spikes in blood sugar, especially if you are diabetic or prediabetic. And if you aren't, eating low GI foods should still help you in getting a variety of foods in your diet, without having to worry about quickly getting hungry, which can cause overeating. It's fairly simply to switch out high GI with low GI foods. For example, you can still have bread, just eat whole grain breads instead of white bread. I'm definitely not an expert on this, but there is a lot of free material online regarding GI and low GI diets. Even some of the major diets use GI, such as South Beach Diet and NutriSystem. The RDI for low GI diet is 45-65% carbs, 25-35% fat, 15-35% protein. I hope this helps! Good luck!

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Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 06:37
Wow! Now I'm really confused! I'm getting ready to start the body by vi 90 day challenge!

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Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 13:30
paperiniko wrote:
I am not entirely sure those ancestors of ours had such a great and healthy lifestyle and there are plenty of PhDs etc that support all sorts of bizarre theories to say the least.
All serious controlled studies and researches tell a different story from those supported by the low carb industry.

*like* Whenever people push what our ancestors did as being the desirable goal, I wanna say fine, but there are other lifestyle things to consider then! Wanna go live outside in the elements, get off your computer desk job, do the hunting & gathering, risk your neck, and die before you reach middle age?

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Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 15:50
I've found what nutrition can't do for me, increased physical activity can do. there's a tremendous amount of attention given to nutrition (and rightfully so), but physical activities are crucial for our bodies to function optimally.

A list of exercise benefits are included in my recent post:

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Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 07:46
LOL, it seems like some of you understood Nimm's research, but it's all greek to me. All I know is that I was failing at every diet because I was always hungry. Then my dietician put me on an extremely low carbohydrate diet (15-20 total carbs/day, monitored blood levels, +strict schedule of supplements) and my outrageously persistent appetite all but disappeared after three days of this diet, and a keenly level energy sustained me all day. This helped me maintain control of my caloric intake like never before. She said it had something to do with "ketosis" in which your body's metabolism changes. (wikipedia has a nice explanation). I've lost my last thirty pounds that I couldn't get off with WW, calorie restriction, or anything else, and now she's weaning me off. I'll never eat more than 100 total carbs a day again, or as she says, "I'll gain it back with a vengeance." I feel so much better, I never want to go back to a high carb diet. I'm going to say that I'm sensitive to sugar. I don't have diabetes or hypoglycemia, but I know that if I eat high carb foods (even mashed potatoes), my cognition and energy levels go on a rollercoaster. Then I reach for food in a desperate attempt to regain control. If I eat whole grain carbs, fruit, protein, and dairy with no sugar, I stay on a level playing field and am able to maintain control of my caloric intake.
"Slow and steady wins the race." so this time, I'm going turtle pace.

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Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 08:51
I'm surprised that no one has entered into this thread the effect macronutrient ratios have on your activity and fitness goals. I doubt if you'll find many runners (serious and casual) that could continue that activity on a low carb diet or someone who wants to put on a little muscle on a low protein one.

Your diet should also support your activy goals as well. If you have a goal to get 30 minutes of intense cardio 5 days a week, you will be hard-pressed to achieve that on an ultra low carb diet. They just don't play together well. It's not just about calories in but also calories out.

After losing over 120 pounds in a relatively short amount of time and battling with the last 10 for 4 years, I can tell you this:
There is no finish line.
It's easier to lose weight if you get up and move. More fun too. Keep things flexible, your nutritional demands may change throughout your life based on many factors. Look at the whole picture.

One more thing, all carbs should not be created equal. I'd rather have the carbs from carrots than pastries.


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Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 09:50
I do not think that anybody is claiming that low carb diets do not or cannot work, in case I read very often low carb fans making outrageous and unsubstantiated claims over the quantity and timing of carbs intake that supposedly affect the ability to loose fat.
Of course low carb diets work as long as they create a calories deficit and of course exactly the same is true for high carb diets.Rest assured that you can follow all the caveman diet that you want but if you eat more calories than you consume you will still get fatter.

If low carbs and high proteins is the only way to keep cravings and hunger at bay by all means that is the way to go. Personally I prefer, and stress the word prefer, higher carbs diets because I love eating carbs and I know I could not sustain a low carb diet for long term or forever, secondly because I suspect too many animal proteins are not good long term although I love them and thirdly because it is easier to adopt a lifestyle with no taboos that allows you to fit in most social occasion and food preferences.
Of course all carbs are not equal and it is a good idea to eat those with a lot of fibers combined with a good protein intake to manage hunger, but as I said provided that one achieves a calorie deficit there is no difference in terms of fat loss (there is for other issues)

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Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 11:23
I'm totally on the same page when it comes to calorie deficit. There were times on my low carb diet I was eating too many calories simply for entertainment's sake. And yes, for sure, I gained weight. Low carb simply enables some people to arrive at the point where they can successfully achieve a calorie deficit. And yes, Jodes, the extremely low-carb diet does affect exercise. I was instructed to exercise daily for an hour a day in order to combat the fact that my body would be burning muscle as well as fat. I was to expect no muscle gain. I was actually digging a fairly large sized goldfish pond, so all summer I've spent an hour a day three times a week digging clay (hard work!) and my jogging capabilities increased during that time, so that was exciting Smile But when I was on that super low carb diet, I never felt inhibited from exercising and I never felt a slump in energy.
"Slow and steady wins the race." so this time, I'm going turtle pace.

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Posted: 28 Jul 2012, 12:01
There is a difference between what you might do to lose weight and what you might control if you have an actual health condition. The Italians and French have the lowest average BMI's in Europe and they eat plenty of carbs and not even whole grain. The French eat more dairy than the other Mediterranean countries but have the lowest heart disease rates.

Someone losing weight for a few weeks or months is not a true measure of an eating program's success. It needs 2-5 years before relapse is not likely. And diets cutting out any food group have failed notoriously IN THE LONG RUN. They give a false sense of freedom and set people up for a strong binge cycle.

Learn to eat moderately of the non-sweet foods you enjoy the most at meals a few times a day. Save sweets for special occasions a few times a week or month. It's a great life. ( free and not my site)

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Posted: 28 Jul 2012, 13:38
My friend who is a diabetic controlled by diet in order to keep her sugar level correct has to spread carbs out throughout the day she has problems.

I've lost weight- gained after low activity following surgery sticking with Atkins. It worked but now it has inched back. I tried going back to the low carb and lost 10 lbs but have had a real problem trying to stick with it. I eat very little meat and do eat whole grains and legumes. My "diet" is geared to just eating healthy and to lose the wt, keep the calories low for awhile. I make my own 100% whole wheat bread and almost no processed foods. I'm actually having trouble getting up to 1200 calories. I think the biggest thing is planning meals and snacks and not just munching on whatever.
"The way we eat in America makes us sick, and if we change our diet--simply incrementally-- we will be healthier." Mark Bittman Food Matters


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Posted: 28 Jul 2012, 16:27
You and your friend should both read "Wheat Belly" - available at most libraries. It will change everything about your diet.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2012, 17:08
Here's my top food list at present:

Almonds/Hazelnuts, Olive Oil (Olives), Legumes, Fish, Eggs, Spinach, Orange & Dark Green Vegetables, Rolled Oats, Berries, Grapes, Garlic, Avocado, Cocoa
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