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Katred12

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Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 12:11
While I don't think that these other diets are wrong, they are not for everybody, people should do whatever works for them. I do a Carb Cycling thing, I love it and it works great.
The attack on Atkins has been many times disproved. I take exception to some of the biased platitudes and research espoused here. I have empirical evidence that low carb is fantastic, as my 86 year old Mom has been on this for 30 years. Not only did she lose about 200 lbs, after failing everything else, getting her metabolism completely screwed up by amphetamines in the 60's, and blowing up to over 350 lbs. She is 165 lbs now, her over all cholesterol is 149, her BP is 130/70, her heart is fantastic, she does not have diabetes, the tendency in her family was (she's the youngest of 9, all gone now) over 80% old age diabetes. She does take Plavix, as she had a couple of TIA's but none since, and no other drugs.
She has eaten less than 50 carbs daily all those years, and nothing, nothing could have been better for her. I witnessed her GAINING weight on a 1500 calorie diet with weight watchers, and them accusing her of cheating.
You might say this is anecdotal, but it's not. You will see it yourself in your blood work and feel it in your system. The most wonderful thing about it is no hunger. None. The first 3 days are difficult but after that it's easier.
The Primal Blueprint is great too, btw, I've been doing it on my low carb days and I feel great. As Dartguy said, Don't forget your multi vitamin, but get don't centrum, it'll make you sick with all those awful synthetics.

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Eringiffin

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Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 12:38
Low carb isn't for everyone but what I have noticed is that it is much easier (for me) to maintain a calorie deficit on a low carb diet than other types because I am not hungry all the time. The first 1-2 weeks when I was cutting out all the refined carbs and sugar from my diet were kind of tough but now I hardly ever miss those foods and I feel a lot better. I do take a lot of vitamin supplements (especially the B vitamins) which I think are instrumental to my feeling so good. When I do eat something high in carbs or sugar, I notice an immediate wieght gain but if I stay under my RDI, I quickly lose the weight which was just water weight gain. Plus, I don't eat any of the "low fat" products on the market anymore which are so full of chemicals.
CJT1217

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Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 12:56
Exactly how I view it, Erin. Especially with the quick gain and loss effect.

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Lindsay6384

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Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 12:58
It's working for me! I feel great! Smile
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Nimm

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Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 15:55
The OP has not (at least in this thread) said anything to indicate whether she is, or even might be, insulin resistant. And at her current weight, there is some reason to expect that she is not.

As such, a low-CHO protocol might in fact be counterproductive for her. Bear in mind that even if you accept the conclusion of the final study I linked above - namely, that a low-CHO diet is superior to low-fat among the insulin resistant - the reverse was also true in that study. Among the insulin sensitive subjects, a low-fat diet resulted in greater fat loss than low-CHO.

As such, an unqualified recommendation for low-CHO is unhelpful. She should pursue that strategy if she enjoys it (or can at least sustain it indefinitely) and there is some evidence that she responds better to a low-CHO diet. Which she very well may. At least in this thread, however, there is no evidence of that one way or the other.

(And by "responds" in the last paragraph, I mean more than just faster weight loss. Mood, satiety, energy levels, dietary adherence are all relevant)
paperiniko

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Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 06:20
I agree with the last post and I think that the best diet depends on what you can reasonably sustain long term. If one is happy not eating carbs or eating low carbs by all means that is the way she/he should pursue, without having to believe all the insuline/hormones claims of the low-carbs industry.
staciehagood

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Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 08:11
Let's look at it like this...I truly beleive that God put animals and plants on the earth for man to eat. Grains were put on the earth for animals to eat (so we can eat them)..When you wish to fatten up a cow or a hog you feed them grains while the Lion the meat eater is sleek and trim...just a thought
puddin pie

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Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 11:43
Don't see the word"quinoa" Grain like so called super food.plenty protein and 0 carbs and gluten free!! Have tried ,good and crunchy can taste like what ever you put in it or on !!
kwebb5891

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Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 11:47
Quinoa
Quinoa is considered a fruit as opposed to a grain. The protein content of quinoa averages around 9 grams per cup. Some references state 12-14 grams in 1 cup, and it contains all 8 essential amino acids. It cooks in 15-20 minutes. Be sure and rinse the quinoa before cooking as it has a coating of saponins which gives it a bitter taste if not removed.

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pam-u-la

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Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 06:22
Thank you all. I believe that I will be doing more research on how to eat more balanced diet that does not include animal flesh or it's bi-products. Atkins is absolutely out for me as I refuse to eat the things mentioned above.
I do not have any insuline issues currently but get them checked on a regular basis.
I'm still rather confused over the whole carb thing, but I am sure that I will eventually find the answers I seek.
mem70

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Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 08:25
3 months ago I switched to a vegan diet for 90% of my meals. I lost 8 pounds in 10 days and have kept it off. After trying many ways to keeping weight off, this has been the easiest as I don't have to spend so much time counting calories and measuring portions. I cook most of my meals at home, so planning ahead is essential. I tracked my food carefully the first few weeks to make sure I was getting all my nutrients. I feel great, a lot more energy and people have been commenting that my skin looks better, like I have a healthier glow. Anyway, I was raised on a farm and love my meat. I still have it, but only when at dinner out or at someone's house. This has worked well for me, but I recognize it's not for everyone and would be extremely challenging if you travel a lot or do not cook.
jsfantome

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Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 08:25
Pamula, I accept that you may not want to do Atkins... but you openly stated you are open to research, and I am just curious if you understand that the Atkins website is 1. free, and 2. has some info on how to eat low carb for 'weight loss' as a vegan. If you can use the info, great...if not just discard this...

"It’s challenging for vegans, who don’t eat eggs and dairy products, to do Atkins, but not impossible. The trick is to get sufficient protein from seeds, nuts, soy products, soy and rice cheeses, seitan, legumes and high-protein grains such as quinoa. Weight loss may proceed more slowly because of the higher carb intake than that of those following the standard Atkins program. Vegans should make the following modifications:

Start in Ongoing Weight Loss at 50 grams of Net Carbs so that you can have nuts, seeds and their butters, plus legumes, from the start. If you don’t have much weight to lose, start in Pre-Maintenance at 60 grams of Net Carbs, in order to include small amounts of whole grains and starchy vegetables from the start. Make sure you’re getting sufficient protein in plant sources. In order not to interfere with fat metabolism, add extra flaxseed, olive, canola, walnut and other oils to salads and vegetables to make up for the smaller amount of fat in most of your protein sources. Shakes made with plain unsweetened soymilk (or almond milk), soy (or hemp) protein, berries, and a little sweetener can make a tasty breakfast. Add some coconut milk to up the fat content and make the shake creamer. You can also make shakes with silken tofu. Try it puréed with peanut or almond butter for added protein and fat.
Sauté silken tofu with onions and other vegetables to stand in for scrambled eggs. Mayonnaise made with soy instead of eggs, mixed with crumbled tofu, chopped celery and onions, and a little curry powder makes a tasty eggless salad. Silken tofu and soy creamer can be used in desserts, as can agar-agar in jellied desserts."

Hope this helps. if so, I recommend you check out the atkins.com site for more useful info, and look for the 'how to customize' their program. It has useful info for vegetarians and vegans alike.
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pam-u-la

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Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 07:23
thank you very much jsfamtome, no I was not aware that the Atkins site offered vegan options. I will definately work it into my research.
chasidy114

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Posted: 24 Jul 2012, 12:39
Wow....you are all right, y'all just don't know why.... Insulin resistance isn't why we get fat. It's what happens after we get fat. We initially get fat because of high caloric, sedentary lifestyles, and heredity. Once we get there is when the problems occur ( this is true for everyone, except type I diabetics) when we get fat we have adipose tissue ( fat cells) that work with receptor cells in your body, receptors are what allows your body to use insulin the way it is intended, the adipose tissue creates enzymes that block the receptor sites ( they literally disappear when we gain weight) When the receptor are gone, the glucose stays in your blood, glucose is what sugar and simple carbs turn into once in the body, all intake including fat will turn to glucose or glucagon if not used, when the glucose stays in the blood, you have proteins called albumin, albumin are like buses they carry whats needed to the cells, now with glucose the buses get full at about 180mg/dl ( that's the # you get when you test your blood glucose )... So once the buses are full your body has to fiqure out what to do with the extra sugar. This is after it uses all it needs for your energy. Some of you say your body works different than others. And I'm sure they do, because you choose what you do to your "body" but all of our cells work the same.(ex: if the skinny guy gets fat his receptor cells will turn off and he'll gain weight too) #1 the brain only uses glucose #2 your liver stores about 70G, back up for your brain #3 glucose stored in the cells,again back up for the brain... See a trend here, if you put it in your body, your body wants to save it for your brain. Ok so the difference is sauger and carbs are already glucose, so use them or they get stored. Proteins, fats get used by the body, but still if you have an excess they too will turn to glucagon ( a secondary form of glucose) and be stored. That's why you need a caloric deficit to lose weight, so see y'all are all right... Low carb= less glucose in the blood, so your body is going to use whatever you have, it just has to works harder to do it. Caloric deficit= 3500 calories - 1 pound, eating low carb will give you a caloric deficit, your basically just doing your math differently. All that being said hereditary does play a role, don't have time to get into all that. For type II diabetics, it is reversible, you simply have to get your body back to were the cells can function the way they need too. Glucafage ( # 1 type II diabetic pill) works by forcing the receptor cells to open and use the glucose which takes it out of the blood. So the ultimate goal is to keep your bg at a low level 80-110mg/dl, without spikes, eat every couple hours, eat complex foods to maintain bg levels. If you go about 5 hrs without food your liver gets scared the brain will go hungry and release it's stored glucagon which will cause a spike, ever went to bed hungry and woke up not hungry? It's because half way through the night your liver spiked your bg. I hope that this has cleared up some confusion, it is really neat to learn how our bodies work on a cellular level.
ciania

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Posted: 24 Jul 2012, 16:40
Ive found out the lower the carbs up to 90 a day you will lose 50-90u should be good. Other than that portion controll
ParmesanChee...

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Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 04:15
Hi Pam-u-la!

I just want to add to jsfantome's post on following the Atkins diet while being a Vegan. While the original Atkins diet focused a lot on eggs and red meat, the so called "New Atkins" can be adapted for Vegans.

I have just read the book "New Atkins for a New You" and in it they constantly give solutions and options for Vegans.

I would really recommend that you read the book (or Kindle version) if you find the information on the Atkins website interesting.

http://www.amazon.com/New-Atkins-You-Ultimate-Shedding/dp/1439190275/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343207504&sr=8-1&keywords=new+atkins+new+you
SandyShore

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Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 04:41
I'm not sure if I can bring much scientifically to this, but not that long ago I lived off carbs. they say it takes 3 weeks to make or break a habit. Firstly start a food diary and be brutally honest with yourself on what you are eating. I lost so much weight because I could see when I was wating most and cut it down and eat regularly. Have your carbs before 1PM. Dont cut them out completely like I tried, I got so weak and had no energy! Look for low G.I or gluten free breads and spelt bread and brown pitta breads. These are low in calories and eat them early to give you the nutrients you need for the day. If you are working out a lot then have brown spagetti or brown rice with your dinner also. You DO need carbs just not excess amounts Smile Good luck! Smile X
Erica5

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Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 07:48
SandyShore wrote:
"If you are working out a lot then have brown spagetti or brown rice with your dinner also. You DO need carbs just not excess amounts" X




An average body uses 0-50 net carbs per day. You do not need rice, spaghetti, or any other grain-based food, no matter *what* color it is.
paperiniko

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Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 10:14
says who?
pam-u-la

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Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 10:36
Okay everyone.. once again thanks you all for your replies which have given me much food for thought.
I have decided that instead of focusing on the whole carb thing, I will concentrate on decreasing the refined carbs like those from proccessed goods like bread and pasta.
During the concious effort to do this I have lost 0.5lbs.
But basically everything in moderation.



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