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MillaLite

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Posted: 18 Apr 2012, 20:57
1/4 teaspoon sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) in a gallon of any brand or tap water will alkalize it. But be sure to buy baking soda that is aluminum free!
Or squeeze fresh lemon juice in your water. Also works to bring the pH level up.

There are lots of cheap effective ways to achieve this, without buying a specific brand.
** You can’t solve a problem with the same mind that created it. –Albert Einstein **
kangenguy

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Posted: 21 Apr 2012, 07:22
MillaLite,
Reread Muscle Mabry's post. His/her water was not only alkaline, but also restructured (microclustered) and ionized (highly anti-oxidant). Those additional qualities are important parts to the puzzle of a healthy life.
NCNOLE

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Posted: 21 Apr 2012, 07:59
I'm getting real sick of people trying to sell their products on this site! This is not a site for advertising and you can be reported for doing such. Personally, I refuse to buy any product that someone tries to push on me on this site. I signed up for this site for weight loss support from others who are in the same boat, not sales reps.
asagohan

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Posted: 21 Apr 2012, 10:26
Its scammers. Its annoying but a quick way to get them taken off the website is to report the message.
holfraz

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Posted: 09 May 2012, 15:25
I'm with Muscle Mabry on this one. Just because I share what works for me doesn't mean I'm trying to push any products on anyone. I just share what works for me and hope that others on this website keep doing the same.
Hoser

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Posted: 09 May 2012, 17:03
From that site:

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Your Distributor
William H Mabry
Winchester, cal


William H Mabry, Muscle Mabry, but definitely "not trying to sell anything".

If it quacks like a spammer...

NCNOLE

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Posted: 09 May 2012, 17:56
Good call Hoser, I liked that Muscle Mabry started the post, then kangen guy (as in kangen water guy) commented about it - like they are probably the same person.
Hoser

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Posted: 09 May 2012, 18:51
NCNOLE, good one! Also, kangen guy created that account the same day and doesn't seem to have done anything since. That's a classic sign of a sock puppet.
Nimm

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Posted: 09 May 2012, 21:15
I'd also very much like to see some peer-reviewed, controlled research supporting these amazing claims.
Hoser

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Posted: 09 May 2012, 23:31
Here's a great rebuttal of the ionized water BS.
asagohan

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Posted: 10 May 2012, 01:29
REEEPORTED.

also, think about it. 'i try not put any food or drink in my body that is dead'

ssooo you eat live fish, and fruit/veggies that are still attached to the tree while you eat it? what the crap??
asagohan

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Posted: 10 May 2012, 01:32
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_ionizer

even wikipedia thinks its a fake.
Nimm

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Posted: 10 May 2012, 10:44
asagohan

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Posted: 10 May 2012, 15:58
The Original poster sent this message to me!

'It is clear that you are not educated about health! Or food for that matter! Do have a diet tip for me?'

EXCUSE ME???
NO. REPORTING AGAIN.

Hoser

Joined: Jul 10
Posts: 2,052

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Posted: 10 May 2012, 16:34
I got a similar message from them.

Tip: you don't need products to help you lose weight.

Another tip: if your product isn't supported by independently-reproduced peer-reviewed studies, it's snake oil.
erika2633

Joined: Nov 11
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Posted: 10 May 2012, 17:32
Hahahaha, glad I stopped by to check out this thread - it gave me a much-needed chuckle!! Smile I also had the same reaction as you (asagohan) about 'not eating anything that is dead'... YIKES! Haha - my first thought was a person chomping away on a cow's leg while it's standing in the pasture.. Smile


Someone who is busier than you is working out right now.
There will come a day when you can no longer do this. Today is not that day.
Hoser

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Posted: 10 May 2012, 18:45
This is getting to be more and more fun.

Regarding the claim that all waters are very acid to your body, San Francisco tap water as an average pH of 8.5. The average pH of Oakland's water is close to 9.0. Portland, where I used to live, has a pH in the range of 7.2 to 8.2, if memory serves me correctly. St. Louis, my hometown, sports tap water with an average pH of about 9.2.

Guess what? Those are all basic (alkaline), not acidic.

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Acid = Bad. Alkiline = Good.


Provide some science to back it up, or don't make the claim.


Also, water is dead. Period, full stop. Ionizing doesn't magically create life where none existed before.
kangenguy

Joined: Apr 12
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Posted: 12 May 2012, 07:24
Nimm quote
Posted: 09 May 2012, 21:15
I'd also very much like to see some peer-reviewed, controlled research supporting these amazing claims.

Hoser quote
Posted: 09 May 2012, 23:31
Here's a great rebuttal of the ionized water BS.

Nimm and Hoser:

Over 100 pages of studies, can be had by asking me to send the PDF file. Ask at greatkangenwater@gmail.com and I’ll forward it to you. Caution! It is a sleep inducing document.

Also, Mr. Stephen Lower’s “great rebuttal” site is a prime example of “baffling them with B.S.” I can also send, if I can find it, an expose of him. Hint: He claims to be a water expert, but the university he was affiliated with, when asked, says he was not considered an expert in anything. Hmmm!?

Wikipedia is not done by experts but by people like you and me who contribute to it and the article someone cited on Wikipedia has Stephen Lower and Brian Dunning as sources of their “facts” about Ionized Water. Brian Dunning is as bad as Lower but less prolific. I have corrected Mr. Dunning’s errors (lies) more than once and offered the studies and proofs to him, but he has never taken me up on it.

Which brings up the question: Are they honest skeptics or dishonest skeptics? Maybe each of us should ask ourselves the same question. Know the difference? An honest skeptic says, “I don’t know if it is true. Show me the evidence.” A dishonest says, “My mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with the evidence.”

Consider this fact: This water (actually several waters) have been used in hospitals in Japan for over 40 years and are endorsed by a physicians group of over 6500 doctors and the equipment is designated as a “medical device” by the Japanese government.

FYI although I don’t think I can find the sources, I have heard more than one M.D. say that much of our body fat is the result the body’s attempt to protect itself from over acidity caused by poor diet, etc. by creating fat in which to store the acid. Can’t give the science off hand, but it is food for thought.

Someone commented that I joined the site and haven’t posted since as if that was evidence of something sinister. True! I don’t have time to enter the (often) inane discussions on most of these sites. They are often driven by cynics – not skeptics – who are trying to impress others with their sophomoric arguments and are not seeking truth but self-agrandizement. I will offer some correction, clarity and facts and move on. I don’t have time to spend “casting pearls before swine”. No, I am not making that judgment about the participants in this site!

And Hoser, all municipal water supplies are mandated by the Fed Gov to be neutral at 7pH. And, the Japanese refer to RO water and distilled water as “dead water” because they have no minerals which are essential to our health, and actually cause the body to have to raid its own store of minerals to neutralize acidic build up.
Hoser

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Posted: 12 May 2012, 10:37
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And Hoser, all municipal water supplies are mandated by the Fed Gov to be neutral at 7pH.


According to this page, the range is 6.5 to 8.5.

You are correct that Wikipedia is often written and edited by laypeople. Perhaps the Mayo Clinic's opinion would be more to your liking?

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And, the Japanese refer to RO water and distilled water as “dead water” because they have no minerals which are essential to our health,


Yes, reverse osmosis water, distilled water, etc. generally have a very low mineral content. People don't generally drink purified water, though-- they drink what comes out of the tap. The mineral content of tap water is all over the map depending upon where your municipality gets its water.

Municipal water districts publish a detailed annual report documenting the quality of the water that they provide. In a past life I was a very serious aquarium hobbyist, so I've spent a lot of time reading and discussing water quality reports-- I actually find them interesting.

Incidentally, ionizing water does not add minerals that aren't already there.


Rather than sending me a big PDF, how about just citing a few peer-reviewed studies from major medical journals?
kangenguy

Joined: Apr 12
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Posted: 12 May 2012, 11:26
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Perhaps the Mayo Clinic's opinion would be more to your liking?

Not especially. The Allopathic medical community is adverse to this information. No $ in it for them. And it is about prevention and health rather than curing illness and disease. And some of them are just profoundly ignorant. I had a recent blog conversation with an M.D. from a prestigious medical school who thought that we walked around with a pool of acid sloshing around in our stomach all day. He obviously got his information from antacid commercials on tv.

There are some M.D.s who are open to non-traditional care and preventative treatment. Dr. Horst Filtzer, Dr. Timothy McKnight, Dr. Hiromi Shinya to name three that come to mind immediately. Google them or I can send a different document with bios of many practitioners and researchers who have accepted the benefits of Kangen water.

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Yes, reverse osmosis water, distilled water, etc. generally have a very low mineral content.

It’s not low, it’s nonexistent or the RO system and distiller are not working properly.

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Incidentally, ionizing water does not add minerals that aren't already there.

Correct. Only water with mineral content can be ionized. Kangen water does make the minerals more readily available for uptake to the body which obviates the need for the body to get minerals from the bones, muscles etc. to maintain proper homeostasis.

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Rather than sending me a big PDF, how about just citing a few peer-reviewed studies from major medical journals?

Sorry! I’ll provide the material. You get to do your own homework. Smile



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