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joycehend

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 06:42

http://www.physorg.com/news94906931.html
tessa

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 07:13
Unless there are some underlying medical factors the following is true: Any time you eat less and exercise more you will lose weight. Anytime you eat more and exercise less you will gain weight.
cindylynnwho

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 08:02
I'm afraid I respectfully disagree with Tessa. Tons of research (not just the research that prompted this article) shows that if you don't eat enough, your metabolism slows down to compensate, and you will gain weight. Not to mention my personal experience. I started this journey at 120 lbs. Upset that I went up to 140, I started dieting, and dieting and dieting. I couldn't understand why every time I dieted I gained weight. Until I realized that it was because I was dieting that I was gaining weight. Of course, if I eat low enough calories, I can lose no matter what. But only with my body fat percentage soaring through the roof, and I don't know why I would want that, healthwise or looks-wise. I know most people on here are on low-calorie diets, and I never want my words to be the cause of anyone feeling discouraged or judged. But I also have to speak my mind to my own research and experience with my own body. My favorite sources of info on why losing weight is generally more complicated than "just eat less" are The Diet Cure or The Slow Down Diet. Those aren't the only resources I know of, just the ones I'm most familiar with.

Although you can't tell from my diet calendar, I know that my biggest personal obstacle is the fight against the belief that I must eat far less than my stomach tells me to eat. (not my emotions, my stomach). I know it is not true, because I get extremely unhealthy in multiple ways when I do so, but its hard being around so many people who believe otherwise. I love the support I get here-- there are so many wonderful people!!-- but the one thing that's hard for me is watching the little diet ticker compare my 2200 calorie diet (which is well within the recommendations of many nutritionists for me to reach my goal weight) to a group of people who, on average, according to the ticker, eat about 700 calories per day. I haven't found anyone here yet who eats as much as I do, and sometimes that bothers me. I know that low-cal isn't healthy for me, and overall I'd rather be fat than unhealthy. But there is a small part of me that would rather be unhealthy, and live up to other's expectations about what I should be doing rather than my own experience of what works, and that is the part that I battle with daily, the part that really needs healing.

Please forgive me if I seem to be ranting. Obviously this has touched a chord within me that was there long before Joyce's post. Thank you for posting it, Joyce.

I want to add that I'm in support of those who are on low-calorie diets and finding that they work for them. I believe that different things work for different people and I am often envious to watch others just eat less and have good results. I think it is wonderful, for those of you for whom that works. But one size does not fit all, and I think that that is part of the purpose of this site, if I am not mistaken.

Thanks for listening.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right." --Henry Ford
lyns110craft

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 08:09
I agree with cindy, that if you don't eat enough your metabolism will slow down. You need to eat enough calories to let you body do general things like cell reapairs and renewal. My basal metabolic rate for the weight i am is 1800 cals so I try to eat that a day. As I lose weight this will go down.
spdswyf

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 08:39
I agree with you too cindy. One diet does Not fit all! Rant away, you made your point of view very clear and I bet there are other people out there that are so glad someone is just like them!
Nothing is as bad as the next brownie I eat!
cindylynnwho

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 13:13
Thanks, spdswyf. What a nice way to look at it-- that there are others who are glad I am like them. Very Happy
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right." --Henry Ford
JosephBlakeJ...

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 13:17
I think that is a bunch of Crap.
I Bid you good Eating- Alton Brown


cindylynnwho

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 13:23
wait... which is a bunch of crap?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right." --Henry Ford
JosephBlakeJ...

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 13:25
the whole story
I Bid you good Eating- Alton Brown


cindylynnwho

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 13:31
the article? tessa's response? everything that was said after that? or all of the above?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right." --Henry Ford
JosephBlakeJ...

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 13:33
just the article
I Bid you good Eating- Alton Brown


sararay

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 13:47
Diets don't work. Lifestyle changes do. People who "diet" just gain it all back when they stop "dieting". I am not convinced that it is necessarily exercise that is the key, but the fact that the people who are willing to start exercising are also making a lifestyle change, while people who want to diet as a quick fix and then go back to their old habits when they reach their goal weight are not as successful in the long term.

I also don't believe that "just eating less" is the key. What we eat is more important than how much. YES I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T EAT AS MUCH AS WE WANT OF ANY FOOD. There are some foods that raise your insulin more than others. That causes you to store more than you might if you ate the same amount of calories of a food that doesn't raise your insulin level. By really understanding how metabolism work, you can make it work for you. I eat much more now than I did on a low-calorie diet, but the difference is WHAT I am eating. Oh, and the fact that I am actually losing weight.

As far as the article goes. IMO it was very bad science. They didn't prove anything.

Love the food that loves you back.

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tessa

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 14:43
Wow, I think we are all right in some degree. Everyone is different in how they lose weight. In my case it is a simple situation: eat less(calories) exercise more. The pounds come off. I think everyone misunderstood what I said. I don't advocate starving yourself but I do think everyone should exercise more. I have yet to read an article about the pitfalls of exercise. But then again I am sure someone out there will say otherwise. I have a saying: Moderation! Moderation! Moderation! Let's support one another in this battle for our health and well being. We will all take different paths but hopefully end up w/ the same result.
joycehend

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 15:34
Of course it is possible to lose weight on a diet. But I agree with the article that dieting itself can set you up for more net weight gain than if you never dieted at all. I think once on a diet or lifestyle modification, you have to keep it up to some degree for the rest of your life. That's not scary.
fairy_prince...

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 15:49
I agree with what you're saying sararay.
You raise a very good point.

"The tragedy in life doesn't lie in not reaching your goal. The tragedy lies in having no goal to reach."
Benjamin Mays
evelyn64

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Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 16:07
The article is right. Diets don't work! Most peoples' definition of a diet is a change in what they "normally" eat to help them lose weight. They make the mistake of believing they only have to change until they reach their goal. That they are only temporarily depriving themselves of the food they love. That is how I used to think!
But I finally get it. I finally understand that this is my life. I won't have reached my "final" goal until I take my final breath, having lived the rest of my days striving to be faithful to my body and my health! Reaching my goal weight is just the beginning of the real work.
That is why I don't think it matters what methods you use to get to your goal weight as long as you realize that you can never go back to what you were doing before. That is the lifestyle that enabled you to get fat and stay there. That is the life you must leave behind.
So here's to the journey! We're in it for the long haul.

IT NEVER GETS EASIER - YOU JUST GET BETTER.



zhanice

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Posted: 28 Jan 2008, 00:05
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the one thing that's hard for me is watching the little diet ticker compare my 2200 calorie diet (which is well within the recommendations of many nutritionists for me to reach my goal weight) to a group of people who, on average, according to the ticker, eat about 700 calories per day


I know what you mean about this! I just assumed people were not recording all the food they ate.

I am ignorant about diets (until I came to this website I didn't know what a BMR was), and I tend to fall into the trap of counting calories.

I'm finding that it is a convenient tool for me, although it's not really about calories. I could stop counting calories, and I'd get the same results if I just cut out my tendency to snack excessively.

When I try to balance out my calorie consumption, and add activities that expend calories, I think I'm doing some good. I suppose the question is whether it'll last. But as Sararay says, it's about making lifestyle changes that stick, isn't it?
Pking

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Posted: 28 Jan 2008, 02:25
I agree with all above. Although the article puts a negative angle on dieting, it also causes one to really ponder on why they are dieting. A true diet is not just about what we should or shouldn't eat, or how much exercise should we do. But like someone stated earlier, it's a change of lifestyle. It's a transformation from doing things that harm our health & well being, to waking up each day with the attitude that I'm going to do everything I can today that will keep me healthy...no matter what. So I say don't let your diet be just about food or losing weight. Don't let it be about just getting in smaller size clothes, looking hot & sexy, etc. But let it be part of the new lifestyle that you will encompass to strive for better health (free from obesity, high blood pressure/cholesterol, diabetes, etc ) overall. So 5 to 7 years from now you can look back and wonder "What in the world was I thinking about back then when I had all that weight & baggage." Cool

"Junk food is one of those phenomenons where it taste good to the tongue, but once it gets in the stomach all hell breaks loose!"
cindylynnwho

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Posted: 28 Jan 2008, 07:08
I love what everyone is adding to the discussion! I agree with all of you.

Tessa, I did misunderstand you a little and I'm sorry. I get a tad sensitive when I think people are assuming that my main and only problem is that I eat too much when I know it's not that simple for me. And you did not do that, but you reminded me of people who have, so I felt the need to rant a little. Definitely my issue, and not yours, so I apologize for going off a little and leaving you feeling misunderstood. We are all in this together.

I'm totally with you on the exercise. I love exercise and what it does for me! I think I could still lose weight and get by on less food if I didn't exercise, but I'd rather have the health benefits and the endorphins.

Zhanice, I too wondered if people were recording everything. But if that ticker is including people who are not recording everything, then what is the point of it? And why does it ask us if this is all the food we ate if its not going to take that info into account with the ticker?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right." --Henry Ford
zhanice

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Posted: 28 Jan 2008, 07:18
Good point about the ticker. Maybe it just makes me feel better thinking that the reporting isn't accurate. Wink



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