Hey Atkins people - why lie?

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fredmugs

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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 05:40
I'm pretty sure that only within the Atkins community do they completely subtract sugar alcohols to determine net carbs. Nobody else does it and I couldn't find anything anywhere agreeing with this approach.

I was looking at somebody's diet calendar and I noticed that for the Atkins products the nutriontional values were intentionally made smaller so that the net carbs would come out to their ridiculous claims. Atkins bars with 18g of carbs and 6g of fiber are shown as only having 8g of carbs so the net is 2g. Do you honestly believe that your body is only going to process 2g of those carbs?

Not only are you fooling yourself but you're misleading a lot of other people.

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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 06:19
Fred, I do believe that the evidence is available to explain this better than I am going to attempt to do here... but...

in general, sugar alcohols are incompletely digested in the small intestine - and for diabetics and low carb eaters - 'some' sugar alcohols pass thru the body without impacting your body to produce insulin - all while adding 'an enhanced sweetening' to the product they are in. (for ex: sugar free gum)

As you know, the items in the DATABASE here are constantly changed by individual users. A lot of new people from Atkins come here to use the food tracker, because as best I can tell, this site is the only one that has the built in 'subtraction' feature for Fiber. (which some use to count Net Carbs while on Atkins.)

Others, on Atkins, count Total Carbs (and skip the fiber/sugar alcohols subtraction process all together.)

Of the ingredients listed on an Atkins Bar package, the company lists out the Fiber g's, and the sugar alcohol grams - as being subtractable, which is where the 'going from 18g's - to 2g's' comes in.

And for ANYONE reading this - who is on Atkins - these bars are known to cause a weight loss stall in a great number of people. Why is that?? Because it is misleading in a way. A great many people can simply NOT metabolize this number of carbs (even w/ fiber and sugar alcohols) and bypass the insulin dump it triggers from the pancrease.

SO - if you are eating them... be careful. If you notice no loss, or a much slower weight loss than would otherwise be expected - stop eating them for a solid 2-3 weeks, and see if this makes a difference. If so, completely eliminate all together.

Fred - hope this is a lot less misleading than you originally thought.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 07:35
I really wish you weren't so quick to accuse people of lying Fred. When I eat sugar free chocolate or atkins bars, I put them in the tracker. The tracker subtracts the sugar alcohols, not ME. To presume we are lying is pretty upsetting to me. This community is supposed to be supportive, to build people up, NOT to tear them down.

I only indulge in eating those things about one week out of the month (PMS time) and as long as I stick to the portion on the package I am fine. I do NOT gain and I continue to lose weight. The only time I gain is IF I eat more than the suggested portion, as it is with all diets.
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fredmugs

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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 09:59
If the actual product shows 18g of carbs and 6g of fiber and 6g of sugar alcohol shouldn't that be 6g of net carbs per Atkins math? Yet the package itself claims to be only 2g of net carbs. Where did the other 4g loss come from? I am specfically referring to this:

http://www.atkins.com/Products/ProductDetail41/Nutty-Fudge-Brownie-Bar.aspx

Please show me the math on how this is 2g of net carbs. If you look at how this product is reported on this website the numbers were changed to yield 2g of net carbs by artifically lowering the amount of total carbs reported on the product. Very misleading.

I would say that informing people they are being misled is very supportive. Telling them to keep doing what isn't working is the opposite of that.

FatSecrest does NOT subtract sugar alcohols to report net carbs. It only subtracts fiber - just like everyone else does.

I agree about the sugar alcohols being partially digested. From research that I have done some are digested more than others. The one type that seems to be digested the most is maltitol. Guess what Atkins products use?

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/nutrition/a/maltitol.htm

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PantherIII

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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 10:03
I must say I agree w/Fred here. I find it very confusing and manipulative the way Atkins advertises there actual products. They should at least have some sort of disclaimer explaining the way maltitol can affect your weight loss. One of the many reasons I quit the atkins diet, if even the Atkins BRAND packaging is out to trick ya, how ya gonna stay 100% consistent. Too much worrying that wasn't necessary for me.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 10:14
I have often wondered about this. I see the advice over and over- don't eat the Atkins bars or drink the Atkins shakes, they make you stall.

How can you trust a brand that would produce a product that doesn't work and that actually is detrimental to progress? Does the same company that sells the books and runs the sites make those products? How can you believe a word they say? I think it is mighty hypocritical of the Atkins company to make those things.

I've read the Atkins book (original one) and I believe you are supposed to avoid processed foods, right? So why is it okay to sell these things? It's all about the money. Sad, really.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 10:18
Wow that is too confusing Rolling Eyes
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 10:20
Fred, I agree. I have a problem with the sugar-alcohols. I was on the Atkins diet a few years ago and discovered that it effected my diet negatively, not to mention making me feel ill, gassy, and bloated. So I stay away from anything containing maltitol. I've even stopped using Splenda for awhile in favor of 100% liquid sucralose and carry a small bottle around everywhere I go.

I try to make everything myself, and when I'm ready for snack bars, I'll make those too. At least I know what I'm putting into them and into my body.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 10:35
every diet works differently. people who are on their own "custom" diets make up their rules... if you read the book by dr atkin it does state how it works. there is reaon behind it but if your not on the atkins diet you dont need to, nor are you expected to understand it. but its certianly not nice to accuse people of lying. we are all here with the same goal to lose weight... i think instead of accusing people of things... maybe you should try more to encourage people that are doing good. maybe youll seem some postive feeback.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 10:50
The bars and shakes aren't part of "the plan." I believe I've seen the nutritionist on the Atkins site recommend not using the bars and shakes if it's causing a problem. The nutritionist is referenced by name in the book. They suggest eating whole foods and limiting sweeteners to no more than 3 a day for the most part. When I read the book 10 years ago, there were no shakes or bars, so the book didn't address them. The current book does address them, but it doesn't push them. It's presented more like...if you're in a tight spot, you could use the bars and shakes, and it would be better than eating a pop-tart.

I don't really see a problem following their guidelines and trying to understand their science even though they make the products with the sugar alcohols.

I don't know if it's all the same company. I think it's possible that they've licensed the Atkins brand to the food manufacturer who makes the bars. Perhaps it is hypocritical to do that, but I don't think that makes low carb any less sound. I don't really understand the whole sugar alcohol debate. And, quite honestly, I don't care. I don't see that the bars or shakes have much of a place in my diet, so I don't think it matters.

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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 10:56
So I am assuming that your title was confrontational against the Atkins product and not those using it. I'm not on Atkins but I did choose to take offense to the tone of the title, but I see where you're coming from. That Atkins product is highly deceptive. So what you're saying is not that the users of Atkins are lying but the company itself is lying to promote its products.

I do think Atkins needs to pull those products if they cause adverse effects to such a significant amount of people.
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PantherIII

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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 11:03
Agreed, better choice of topic wording next time. Sounds like some people are becoming offended and/or discouraged. Keep up the good work atkin'ers, if anything monitor your progress closely if you use those boxed products/shakes.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 14:04
Lie was too strong of a word to use.

I am saying that some member on this website when they added that product to the food database under reported the amount of total carbs so that the amount of net carbs would reflect the claims on the package.

Did that person intentionally do it to mislead others? Nope but how many people assumed it was accurate?

The thing I love about this website is that I can micro manage everything I put into my mouth and all of the exercise I do each day. Since I workout at night I can look at my food diary and determine if I need to do a more or less intense workout. If the information on here is incorrect it could cause people to make changes that are not warranted.

Have you noticed that some of the food items on here have had their nutritional values changed more than 10 times?

I am saying that Atkins info is misleading and too many people are taking it at face value. I remember looking at protein bars and seeing these 2g net carb things and thinking this is awesome and then looking at the label and scrathcing my head.

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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 14:31
sngglebnny wrote:
So I am assuming that your title was confrontational against the Atkins product and not those using it. I'm not on Atkins but I did choose to take offense to the tone of the title, but I see where you're coming from. That Atkins product is highly deceptive. So what you're saying is not that the users of Atkins are lying but the company itself is lying to promote its products.

I do think Atkins needs to pull those products if they cause adverse effects to such a significant amount of people.


I read the title as the Atkin's dieters too and not actual Atkins brand.

A couple of days ago I scouted the nutrition section at WalMart pharmacy and virtually every diet/no sugar addedtype bar used maltitol..even diabetic snacks.
It seemed to be in everything.

I agree tho that Atkins who so vehemently praises it diet..should make changes or remove the product or at least provide some information as to why they continue to make it. Saying it is contracted out to a manufacturer is not an excuse. Atkins is responsible for the ingredients.

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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 14:35
PantherIII wrote:
Agreed, better choice of topic wording next time. Sounds like some people are becoming offended and/or discouraged. Keep up the good work atkin'ers, if anything monitor your progress closely if you use those boxed products/shakes.


I follow Atkins to a degree and am not offended one bit.
I posted on their community site that I will never use any of the products (because of maltitol). It is too bad though that the products have an affect on the integrity of the brand.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 14:47
The best thing to do with those changing food items, if you really care about micromanaging that much, is enter it in the way YOU want it once and for all and don't share. Then name it something like "K8yk's ABC Food" and it will never come up in a search.

BTW, if those shakes and bars are so bad, why are you eating them? And if you're not, what's the difference what it says on the nutritional info?
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 15:51
k8yk wrote:
I have often wondered about this. I see the advice over and over- don't eat the Atkins bars or drink the Atkins shakes, they make you stall.

How can you trust a brand that would produce a product that doesn't work and that actually is detrimental to progress? Does the same company that sells the books and runs the sites make those products? How can you believe a word they say? I think it is mighty hypocritical of the Atkins company to make those things.

I've read the Atkins book (original one) and I believe you are supposed to avoid processed foods, right? So why is it okay to sell these things? It's all about the money. Sad, really.


As an old school (read that as before he died) Atkins follower, I can tell you that the products and the actual doctor part are two different things. When he passed away the medical part pretty much went away and they turned into what I know refer to as the slim fast plan. I seem to recall his children kept the food business but they were not ever involved in the actual practice. It is all about the money now, it didn't used to be that way.

Dr. Atkins was against processed foods. I learned about eating whole, unprocessed foods while on it. I ate healthier than I had ever eaten in my entire life while on it. I'd dare say even healther than what I'm doing now with Nutrisystem because I am using convenience packaged foods along with my whole foods.

I was already into the lifestyle changes when the bars and shakes started coming out. They were not for phase 1 originally, they didn't recomend them for most phases of the diet and they did warn people that it could cause them to stall and instead encouraged us to eat our veggies and proteins (but say away from high fats and nitrates).

As for the labels, I would never accept that as 2g of net carbs, it is 6g clearly marked. But they are not the only company guilty of fudging numbers on nutrition lables. Just take a look at Sobe LifeWater, they claim that it's 0 calories but then list carbs and have no sugar alcohols listed. If something is less than 5 calories they can claim it has none, even though a bottle of I can't believe it's not butter spray is really about 900 calories. Once you learn to read labels it's up to you to interpret it the way you want. I count my Sobe Lifewaters as 60 calories when I drink them instead of the 0 they tell me they are just to be safe. 6 carbs x 4 calories x 2.5 servings = 60 calories.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 16:27
k8yk wrote:
BTW, if those shakes and bars are so bad, why are you eating them? And if you're not, what's the difference what it says on the nutritional info?


If that's directed at me this whole thing started because someone was wanting to know (in a separate post) why they were eating 15g net carbs a day and gaining weight. The person was on the Atkins diet and eating Atkins products. Seems like I see 3 or more posts a day of people wanting to know what they are doing wrong.

I eat Met-Rx Big 100 meal replacement bars and they have more calories, fat, and carbs but less saturated fat even though it is 2.5 times larger. Those last me a good 4 hours before I need to eat again.


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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 17:02
Well I, for one, hope they don't pull the bars off the shelves because I think they taste good and they don't leave me feeling as jacked up as I do when I eat a Snickers. But I'm not on Atkins, so I don't limit my net carbs as much. I can see how it would be upsetting to think you are getting a certain number and then find out you are getting more.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 21:22
Atkins is not a "slim fast" plan, as shakes and bars are NEVER to be used as meal replacements. The numbers aren't "fudged" on the shakes at all. They are straight carb-fiber=nc. The difference on the bars is glycerine, which is not listed on the nutritional labels. The new book says only use them sparingly and cut them out altogether if it stalls you. Everybody react to many different foods in different ways...including Atkins bars. By the way, old school Atkins never advocated staying away from high fats. Yet another reason do discount your "knowledge" of Atkins. Finally, the person experiencing problems with loss could have been having a reaction to the bars, but they were not doing Atkins if they had only 15 nc's a day. Maybe they should seek advice from people who understand and live Atkins instead of someone who admittedly is trashing his body with processed crud (aka nutrisystem meals).



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