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k8yk

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 13:49
Who made a false claim? I missed that.
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sheripickle

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 13:59
why do people get so uptight defending diets?? Hey, Nutri system might be great, who knows...but I can't buy my food premade forever, or take it to family functions, etc, so I will stick with cooking for myself Smile its worked so far! Wink
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sherilyn70

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 14:16
sheripickle wrote:
why do people get so uptight defending diets?? Hey, Nutri system might be great, who knows...but I can't buy my food premade forever, or take it to family functions, etc, so I will stick with cooking for myself Smile its worked so far! Wink


Has anyone read any of this? LOL

You don't have to buy their pre made food forever. In fact you never have to buy their food to follow the plan. You can cook and you can do family functions. You can also eat out. I've done many family functions since I started at the end of March and it has never interfered.
Johanne

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 14:24
What started this whole topic yesterday was someone saying they had a very bad reaction to Nutrisystem and you saying you hated people who exagerated. I don't care if you eat Nutrisystem if it's replacing fast food. One is as good as the other except it has fewer calories, like Jerrod losing on Subway. If you have the money and no time to cook and you don't have a sensitivity to any of the ingredients, go for it. But the person who did have a problem with the ingredients should not have been jumped all over. She had a valid issue. As has been proven on here over and over again, what works for one, doesn't work for everyone.

I hate to cook. That's why I make huge crock pots of stuff and put them up in one portions containers in the freezer. However, I'm gluten intolerant, supposed to watch my salt intake, supposed to limit my protein and I'm allergic to onions. Obviously, I couldn't go on Nutrisystem if I COULD afford it.

And, for the record, I consider Nutrisystem, Lean Cuisine, Weight Watcher meals and all the others exactly the same, except I would imagine the frozen ones taste a little better than dehydrated.

Obviously, with your huge weight loss, it's working for you. Stick with it.

Fear less, hope more, eat less, chew more, whine less, breathe more, talk less, say more, hate less, love more, and good things will be yours. -- Swedish Proverb

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Hoser

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 14:41
Gaining 30 pounds in 30 days doesn't seem completely implausible to me, though you thought it was. Last year I gained ten pounds in a week due to a change in some medication I was taking. (And I was miserable! I was so out-of-breath that I couldn't even walk across the room without sitting down to rest, and climbing half a flight of stairs to my sleeping loft was a real challenge.) When the medication imbalance was corrected the water dropped back off within a week.

It's not too hard for me to imagine that someone who was having a reaction to food might have a similar experience.
hottagain

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 14:43
sherilyn70 wrote:
hottagain wrote:
Go for what you want no one is trying to change your ideas, there is no reason to be so defensive.


I think you're mistaking a debate with being defensive. The point was to educate. Many false claims were made. I believe in educating yourself first if you're going to make statements about something. I guess people don't actually want to know facts though. What would be the fun in that? Then they wouldn't be able to call things names.


This is a debate? How can you debate when someone gives you a choice with very little info? You asked a question that you obviously had a bias for or against one or the other. I read how upset you were about the Nutrisystem question yesterday. It seems like you are upset or think people that have time or enjoy cooking are acting better than you and that is far from the case. People that are against prepackaged foods are going to be the first ones to "debate" this topic. I really don't understand how you say that you don't need buy the prepackaged foods when you are defending the ingredients in the prepackaged foods. And by the way are going to enlighten us with the right choice? I am not trying to argue just debating as you put it.
sherilyn70

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 17:10
hottagain wrote:
I read how upset you were about the Nutrisystem question yesterday.


I was upset? I don't recall that. Annoyed that people would make claims they knew nothing about? Perhaps... but never upset.

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How can you debate when someone gives you a choice with very little info?

Considering everyone jumped on the attack instead of asking questions... it isn't much of a debate on your parts. It's just a matter of countering the objections (which is part of the debate process) that all of you presented.

As for eating right, everyone has a different list of what they consider acceptable. I'm not sure how this thread has bias though since no one knows which plan is which. The point was not to sway into "liking" the plan but to show people that claiming it's not a real way of eating or maintainable was not correct. If the only thing you can find "unhealthy" about it is that it's processed then I think it's actually pretty good for you. The nutrients are there and so are the fresh foods. This plan works for the majority who are not commited to boycotting processed foods and not the minority who are into organic, whole foods and cooking.
Johanne

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 17:28
sherilyn70 wrote:
I'd like for people to tell me which plan you think is healthier based on nutritional stats... or do you think these two look the same?

One is organic, one is not. Neither use supplements.

Plan 1:
1226kcal
Carbs: 161.77g, Protein: 53.11g, Fat: 40.72g

Plan 2:
1342kcal
Carbs: 182.20g, Protein: 77.69g, Fat: 38.44g

I'd appreciate if the person I got these stats off of not respond or share which one is theirs versus the other. Smile I'd like to see what people think with nothing to influence them other than the nutritional stats.


If you give me these stats, but don't tell me which one has the palm oil/hydroginated oil, or which one has the cannola oil; if you give me these stats but don't tell me which one has the high fat beef or which one is Salmon; if you give me these stats and don't tell me which one has the enriched white flour or which one has the 100% whole grain carbs; if you give me these stats and don't tell me which one is lower in salt, I can't tell you which one is healthier. They are just numbers. They mean nothing.

Fear less, hope more, eat less, chew more, whine less, breathe more, talk less, say more, hate less, love more, and good things will be yours. -- Swedish Proverb

Hara Hachi Bu! The problem is, when do you know you are? LOL!

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hottagain

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 18:42
Well you still didn't let us know which one is “healthier?”
sherilyn70

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 19:29
hottagain wrote:
Well you still didn't let us know which one is “healthier?”


Where did I say that one ever was? The point was that they were both pretty similar when it came right down to it. The challenge was to tell me what was wrong with the nutritional stats and balance in eating one way versus the other... the conclusion seems to be that people don't care if it's nutritionaly balanced as much as if it's organic here.
Hoser

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 20:02
You're focusing on macronutrients. In the grand scheme of things, those really aren't as important as the quality of the nutrients.

Imagine two people who got 50% of their calories from carbs, 30% from fats, and 20% from proteins. One of those people got their nutrition from fruits and vegetables, whole grains, eggs, dairy, meat. The other one got all of their calories from sugar, shortening, and protein powder, but consumed exactly the same quantity of carbs, proteins, and fats. Would you describe both diets as equally healthy?

Obviously, the case I've presented is extreme to the point of absurdism and nobody would ever eat that way.[1] Still, it illustrates the point that others have been making to you-- asking someone to judge the nutritional quality of a diet based only on the monthly average of macronutrients is asking a ridiculous question.

By the way, my diet is not entirely organic, though I often buy organic preferentially over chemically-farmed. My diet focuses on eating real food rather than processed foods, especially fresh fruits and vegetables, eggs and dairy, legumes, and lean meats. I avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague, minimize my ingestion of high-fructose corn syrup, and otherwise just focus on eating naturally-occurring foods.



[1] I do know a couple of people who once decided to try an experiment. They wanted to know what the cheapest possible way was to get their RDA of calories, and they concluded that the answer was olive oil. A bet was made, and for as long as they could stand it they consumed all of their calories for the day from olive oil plus a multivitamin. I think they cracked after a day and a half.
Johanne

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 21:36
sherilyn70 wrote:
hottagain wrote:
Well you still didn't let us know which one is “healthier?”


Where did I say that one ever was? The point was that they were both pretty similar when it came right down to it. The challenge was to tell me what was wrong with the nutritional stats and balance in eating one way versus the other... the conclusion seems to be that people don't care if it's nutritionaly balanced as much as if it's organic here.


My diet is EXTREMELY nutritionally balanced. The only things I can afford organic are milk and eggs. The rest of my food is canned (veggies, salt free), frozen (veggies, no sauce, salt or additives, fruit, no sugar, salt or additives), packaged (rice, beans, lentils, nuts, chocolate, etc.), dried (apricots, cranberries, raisins, etc.) and fresh, apples, sweet potatoes, squash, meat, milk and eggs. All of which can be purchased at Walmart. Except for the milk and eggs, the word organic does not apply. "Whole foods" does. You are the one focusing on one thing. Everyone has tried to put it to you from every possible angle.

If Nutrisystem is working for you and you have no problem with the ingredients and don't care if they're processed, by all means eat it. We have been trying for two days to get you to see why someone (the person who started this whole conversation) MIGHT have a sensitivity issue with some of those same ingredients. I certainly would with my food sensitivities and allergies, but then, I wouldn't have ordered them for that very reason. She apparently didn't realize it. Can't you just admit, that if you had the time and inclination, there might be a better way to go and that the original poster had a right to be upset when Nutrisystem foods made her ill?

Fear less, hope more, eat less, chew more, whine less, breathe more, talk less, say more, hate less, love more, and good things will be yours. -- Swedish Proverb

Hara Hachi Bu! The problem is, when do you know you are? LOL!

Calories are the little buggers that get into your wardrobe at night and sew your clothes tighter.
Natural.Lift...

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 21:48
sherilyn70 wrote:
hottagain wrote:
Well you still didn't let us know which one is “healthier?”


Where did I say that one ever was? The point was that they were both pretty similar when it came right down to it. The challenge was to tell me what was wrong with the nutritional stats and balance in eating one way versus the other... the conclusion seems to be that people don't care if it's nutritionaly balanced as much as if it's organic here.

Lies, we all know #2 was the twinkies and whey!

Seriously, was there a point here? Rolling Eyes
Hoser

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 21:55
Actually, Johanne, I think the answer is there might be a better way to go FOR SOME PEOPLE.

The thing we all need to remember is that different people have different priorities and values. For me, choosing real, healthful foods is a very high priority and I'm willing to spend reasonable amounts of both money and time shopping for and preparing my own food. For other people, convenience and letting someone else make most of the decisions might be of higher value than avoiding processed foods. I know that for you cost is of major importance, but that absolutely doesn't factor into the equation for me and I doubt it does for Sherilyn.

One of my biggest drivers in the way I'm eating is to tear down my old, broken eating patterns and build new ones from the ground up. I want to learn how to prepare healthy meals using real food, and do so without making a huge effort. Someone who already has good eating patterns, but might have gained weight for some other reason (e.g. pregnancy weight) might just want to just peel the pounds off as quickly as possible, since their core eating patterns are already sound.

In conversations like this, it helps to understand that other people may value different things than you do.
Johanne

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 22:23
Hoser, thanks. I just wish Sherilyn would address the issue of the original poster. As I've said many times, if it's working for her, fantastic. Stick with it. She's obviously losing weight. But, she blasted the original poster for not being able to eat Nutrisystem, like it was a personal affront to her. I don't care whether people choose to do Atkins, South Beach, Nutrisystem, Jenny Craig or whole foods . . . whatever, if it works for them. But, just like we don't have the right to impose our way of eating on Sharilyn, she shouldn't be incredibly nasty to someone who CAN'T eat the way she does. I sound like a kid defending my little sister. I doubt that the original poster has even been reading this new thread. By the way, thanks for being my friend. I'm done now. LOL.

Fear less, hope more, eat less, chew more, whine less, breathe more, talk less, say more, hate less, love more, and good things will be yours. -- Swedish Proverb

Hara Hachi Bu! The problem is, when do you know you are? LOL!

Calories are the little buggers that get into your wardrobe at night and sew your clothes tighter.
sherilyn70

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 22:29
Johanne wrote:
We have been trying for two days to get you to see why someone (the person who started this whole conversation) MIGHT have a sensitivity issue with some of those same ingredients.


Go back and re read that post. I was the first one to suggest it might be food allergies. That was post #3 in that thread. Smile

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Nutrisystem follows the American Diabetes Association's guidelines and plan. There is nothing harmful about it unless you have allergies to soy (there is a lot of soy in their food) or can't do high protein diets.
sherilyn70

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 22:33
Johanne wrote:
But, she blasted the original poster for not being able to eat Nutrisystem, like it was a personal affront to her.


Actually no... what I blasted them for was posting a rant with inaccurate facts. They complained about policies that were clearly given to them pre ordering, they exagerated about how long they had been on the plan (do the math they presented). If you're going to complain or rant then do so accurately. If they got refunded for all of the food then either a) they were on the plan for less than 30 days or b) Nutrisystem went above and beyone their normal policy and made an exception for them. When the facts they present don't add up then I'm not going to believe what they have to say about the weight gain either. Pretty straight forward.
feeling...

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Posted: 26 Oct 2010, 22:43
Sherilyn, you said that "everyone jumped on the attack" I didnt see that, I saw honest people expressing their opinion. You gave me my laugh for the day! and by the way, $5 is more than enough to make myself a days worth of healthy meals, and the $10 a day for meals (plus the fruit and veggies you add), could feed me for almost a week. We all do what we choose, just relax and be happy with your choice.



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