Can you do Atkins without veggies?

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Goethe

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Posted: 05 Jan 2013, 17:06
Here is the thing, I'm trying out this week a low-carb, high protein diet, mainly to try the whole ketosis effect, I was considering Atkins, however I do have one serious food restriction, I can't eat veggies, nearly none.

And yes, I've tried them in nearly all forms and manners, so my question is, can I follow a no carb, high-fat, high-protein diet like Atkins and get all the protein from animal source, without the veggies or that's a must-have requirement?

Please check my diet calendar from the last 3 days.

PS: Do you guys cycle carbs, or just keep a constant zero-to-low carbs forever?
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Sherillynn

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Posted: 05 Jan 2013, 17:27
As far as I know, you cannot do Atkins without the veggies. You might be doing a low carb diet but it won't be considered Atkins.

Also, Atkins isn't zero to low carb. Induction starts at 20 net carbs and then progresses from there as you go through the phases.When you get to your ideal weight, then you are on a maintenance and you have to see what carb allotment works for you so that you do not gain.

Do you just not like vegetables? I would think also, if you don't eat any veggies, you may not get all of the nutrition you need on a daily basis. I see you've talked to a nutritioinist from one of your posts. I am guessing you'd have to supplement by vitamins or something.

I hope this helps! Good luck to you. It looks like you have a good start already! Keep it up, whichever diet you decide!
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Goethe

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Posted: 05 Jan 2013, 17:54
Yeah, I have a serious aversion of vegetables, and yes, I take vitamin and mineral supplements, I also have perfect health according to my cardiologist, I do yearly check-ups, but that could always change, I had lvl 2 obesity(hopefully is lower now) and I used to smoke, a couple months before I completed 30 years old, I decided it was time to change.

I decided to try it out a high-protein diet to give a boost on my weight loss, however I must say I'm having second thoughts, considering eating an all protein diet, I can barely fit 1200kcal per day and considering my exercises, my estimated daily kcal deficit is around 2-3k.


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Posted: 05 Jan 2013, 18:05
Vegetables are one of the main components of the Atkins way of eating, and as Sherillynn pointed out, the Induction Phase is 20 net carbs daily. Atkins is also not a high protein "diet". Vegetables are a source of fiber (mostly insoluble), and also account for the majority of net carbs that you eat. Protein comes from the dairy and meat products. Be careful about eating too much protein. It can have adverse effects on your liver :/

Personally, I have followed the Induction Phase since the middle of August and won't go on to the next stage until I'm closer to where I wish to be so that I can then learn to maintain my weight for life.

Good luck to you!

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mikefarinha

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Posted: 05 Jan 2013, 20:18
If you're not allergic to vegetables then you simply need to man-up and have some carrots and broccoli. You can steam them and put some butter on them or you can cook them in some bacon grease. Put cheese on them.

If you refuse to eat vegetables then just give up now.

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gkcfm95

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Posted: 05 Jan 2013, 20:27
what about hiding veggies in your food? add peppers & onion to eggs. chicken or tuna salad with finely chopped celery, pickles, carrots, cucumber. you can put almost anything in tuna salad because the fish flavor hides the taste. add things to make them taste better...butter, salt, sour cream. what about salad? load it down with turkey and bacon and dressing. and try different kinds of salad dressing, different brands taste differently. i suggest going for the better know more expensive brand, it will have better quality ingredients and better taste.

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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 00:16
I have found that if you puree veggies (onions, carrots, celery, etc) and put them in foods-soups, pasta sauces, etc. that you can't taste them. I do not like cooked carrots or celery, but if you puree them you can't taste them. Have you thought about juicing? I don't know much about Atkins, so I'm not sure if you can have fruit (for some reason I don't think you can), but you can juice a ton of veggies and the fruit covers the flavor. Same with smoothies. You can get a TON of spinach in a smoothie and the fruit completely covers the flavor. Or spaghetti squash is really good, it doesn't taste like a vegetable at all.
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Goethe

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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 08:17
mikefarinha wrote:
If you're not allergic to vegetables then you simply need to man-up and have some carrots and broccoli. You can steam them and put some butter on them or you can cook them in some bacon grease. Put cheese on them.

If you refuse to eat vegetables then just give up now.


gkcfm95 wrote:
what about hiding veggies in your food? add peppers & onion to eggs. chicken or tuna salad with finely chopped celery, pickles, carrots, cucumber. you can put almost anything in tuna salad because the fish flavor hides the taste. add things to make them taste better...butter, salt, sour cream. what about salad? load it down with turkey and bacon and dressing. and try different kinds of salad dressing, different brands taste differently. i suggest going for the better know more expensive brand, it will have better quality ingredients and better taste.


@Mike
hehehe, easier said than done, I don't like, but I can eat carrots and 'small onions', but broccolis and the ones like that, I feel like throwing up when I eat them, it's serious aversion, very hard to explain.

@gkcfm95, Mike and TOFU
I'm gonna try one last time to mix it with meat and other strong flavor ingredients, very little to start, who knows maybe I can 'accept' this time.

Thanks for the support!
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LowCarbFemme...

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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 08:46
Man I LOVE my veggies. So good especially with butter or cream. This WOE is fab. (I seriously don't think I would be happy to follow a eating plan that restricts veggies!)


selenap20

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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 08:48
I don't know a darn thing about atkins but can you have a good amount of fruit? If you can, and you like fruit try juicing or blending A few strawberries half a banana handful of spinach and a few broccoli florets will give you strawberry banana flavored juice without the spinach and broccoli taste.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 10:32
selenap20 wrote:
I don't know a darn thing about atkins but can you have a good amount of fruit? If you can, and you like fruit try juicing or blending A few strawberries half a banana handful of spinach and a few broccoli florets will give you strawberry banana flavored juice without the spinach and broccoli taste.


He wanted to try Atkins, and there is no room for fruit in the weight loss phases of the diet. They contain too much carbohydrate.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 10:33
I have found that a protein boost does not help my weight loss. I recommend not forcing yourself to eat excess protein.

It is a common notion nowadays that all the nutrition in food can be synthesized, packed into a supplement form, and we can take that, eat whatever empty calories we like, and achieve ideal health.

In reality, the food we eat is not the sum total of a few isolated micronutrients we call "vitamins" and "minerals" that we can take in pill form. Scientists are continually discovering essential components in food.

The belief that we can get everything we need as chemicals in supplement form instead of eating real food is called "nutritionism".

Goethe wrote:

@Mike
hehehe, easier said than done, I don't like, but I can eat carrots and 'small onions', but broccolis and the ones like that, I feel like throwing up when I eat them, it's serious aversion, very hard to explain.


I'll bet a hypnotist could help you with this aversion.
Goethe

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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 11:03
eKatherine wrote:
I have found that a protein boost does not help my weight loss. I recommend not forcing yourself to eat excess protein.

It is a common notion nowadays that all the nutrition in food can be synthesized, packed into a supplement form, and we can take that, eat whatever empty calories we like, and achieve ideal health.

In reality, the food we eat is not the sum total of a few isolated micronutrients we call "vitamins" and "minerals" that we can take in pill form. Scientists are continually discovering essential components in food.

The belief that we can get everything we need as chemicals in supplement form instead of eating real food is called "nutritionism".

I'll bet a hypnotist could help you with this aversion.


Yeah, I'm not eating any fruit because of the carbs and the fact it can spike your insulin levels.

I started taking vitamin and mineral supplements when muscle fatigue caused by heavy training started to take their toll, there are a lot of vitamin and mineral we just don't get, or get enough, even in a very balanced and healthy diet hence the need to supplement, in fact that was the main reason I went to see a nutritionist, it wasn't even weight loss.

I'm not sure if you were joking or not in the last part, the hypnotist. Smile
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Jozette99

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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 11:21
Quote:
but I can eat carrots and 'small onions', but broccolis and the ones like that, I feel like throwing up when I eat them, it's serious aversion, very hard to explain.


Hi,
What are the likes? How about tomatoes, peppers, avocados? These are the veggies I eat most although I don't have a problem with anything (except cucumbers Cool )
Ingria

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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 11:27
Try vegetable juices (fresh home made). The disadvantage is that you remove fiber (which you can try to add through supplements or other means) but the advantage is that you still have minerals, vitamins and enzimes and can either gulp it fast like a medicine or mask it in food. Try to start with milder vegetables and greens. Roman lettuce juice is very mild tasting, but very good for weight loss. Carrot juice (use in moderation as it has too much sugar) and lettuce juice, as well as cucumbers and zucchini are in my opinion the best for a biginner to start with as they have the the mildest taste. Some people have more taste buds and are supersensitive to bitter taste. That may be your case as you mentioned broccoli. There are plenty of vegetables like turnips, parsnips, cabbage, lettuce, squashes, yams, beets that have very mild taste and can be incorporated into a meal in small quantities without changing the taste very much. For example you can add some shredded zucchini and chopped parsley into a hamburger or meatloaf. It will only make it jucier, you might not even notice any taste of vegetables.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 11:36
My suggestion is to gradually incorporate more veggies. No offense by this, but you are an adult and I strongly believe you can learn/train your body to eat the veggies. Try adding small amounts in spaghetti sauce or with cheese. Try adding to rice or pasta dishes (obviously not if you are atkins). You can add some to meatballs. Vegetables allow you to eat lots and fill you up without adding lots of extra calories. Experiment with adding fruits to salads and getting dressing that you like ( again not sure how that would work with atkins).

Baby steps - add one new veggie per week and try to eat it 3-5 x week. Maybe stick with the one new veggie for a few weeks until you are ok with eating it. Tastes change over time, habits get formed over time. You can learn to eat veggies. My experience: I hated tomatoes and zucchini (among other veggies). I noticed that I could tolerate fresh red tomatoes from the garden as long as I added salt - I started with that. Then I started eating a few bites of store bought tomatoes with salt each day for lunch and after a few weeks I grew to like the tomatoes. Now I love them! Zucchini- I started baking them like chips (sliced thin, coated w/ egg white and tossed in garlic and oregano). Sometimes I added ketchup. Just like the tomatoes, I grew to love zucchini and now eat it just about any way - in soup, on salad, baked or raw.

Habits are hard to break and hard to establish, but it can be done if you want it. I really did eat much veggies growing up, but decided that I want 75% of my diet to be veggies and the only way to do that was to learn how to cook the veggies and how to overcome my dislike. I wanted it bad enough and was motivated. Mainly b/c I love animals and have never been a big meat eater, but also after reading "Eat to Live" by Dr. Furhman. He really shed some light on disease prevention through diet - that is my main reason to eat more veggies, to prevent disease, but it also makes me feel good!

Best of luck to you. Again I don't want to offend you, but it's time to man up!
mikefarinha

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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 14:21
eKatherine wrote:

In reality, the food we eat is not the sum total of a few isolated micronutrients we call "vitamins" and "minerals" that we can take in pill form. Scientists are continually discovering essential components in food.

The belief that we can get everything we need as chemicals in supplement form instead of eating real food is called "nutritionism".


So true eKatherine.

Take calcium for example. Doctors often recommend taking calcium supplements to help ensure strong bones. However they are now finding out that calcium alone cannot make it into the bones by itself. Other nutrients are required to properly transport the calcium. Nutrients such as vitamin D3, vitamin K2, Magnesium & zinc (and those are just the ones I know off the top of my head).
Also Vitamin's D3 & K2 are fat soluble vitamins which means fat needs to be consumed with them for them to be used by the body (which is why I think low fat milk is an absurdity).

In nature many of these nutrients are typically found together which is why a whole food varied diet is so important as a first step back towards health.

Of course people can take a cocktail of these synthetic nutrients but that doesn't account for all the other nutrients we don't know about. Nutritional science is really only in its infancy.

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eKatherine

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Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 15:29
My experience as a hypnotist is that most food aversions are learned or acquired and can be unlearned.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 17:30
No.

If I can learn to eat fat without gagging, you can learn to eat a bowl of broccoli with some butter and cheese.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2013, 21:33
You at least need fibre, it helps to prevent bowel cancer. if you can't get through veggies then try eating nuts & seeds, especially almonds, macadamia & flaxseeds/linseeds.

Also try adding fibresure powder to drinks for insoluble fibre.

Also if I'm not mistaken, Atkins is a low carb high fat diet, with moderate protein. I myself am finding I'm averaging 60g of protein, at least 130g+ of fat & 20g net carbs.


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