CHANGED FROM DUKAN TO ATKINS, MUCH BETTER NOW!

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ShrinkinSue

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Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 17:49
Hi all,

I found Dukan great during the attack phase, and reasonable but inconsistent for a few months afterwards, but after 5 months or so of 100% sticking to the rules, my loss just stopped. Crying or Very sad

Even when we went on an interstate holiday I doggedly stuck to my diet, stayed in an apartment with a kitchen and didn't eat out. After six weeks of stagnation I switched to Atkins and am now loving my food. And after a month I'm 4.5kg (10 pounds) lighter!

Gotta love Atkins! Bad Grin
Diablo360x

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Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 18:03
Mostly water weight. Restricting carbohydrates is not advisable. Restricting calories, increasing protein intake, and doing resistance training is.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121703981
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
jsfantome

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Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 18:36
Perhaps, Diablo, from the perspective of a bodybuilder ... too much restriction may not be all that helpful. However, I have read thru a lot of 'body building' sites - and they all agree the 'bad' carbs are not adviseable for anyone on a regular basis!

Most folks on Atkins, are increasing their protein, and getting all of their carbs from healthy, natural veggies.. then moving up to the fruits, nuts, legumes, grains, etc... just not the crappy carbs like sweets, cakes, donuts, candy, etc...

Once under control, and nearer your goal... you can easily begin to occasionally enjoy some of the moderate carbs again.

I just wish people wouldn't make blanket statements... restricting carbs is not adviseable...! Neither was carrying around nearly 70 extra pounds!! LOL!

I tried counting calories, and working out... for a complete year. It just did not work for me. Be it hormones, be it not enough intake for my energy output... I don't know... but I kept waiting for something to kick in and I was working my butt off! Nothing.

When I got the worst offending carbs out of my system, and out of my regular dietary intake... I started losing 1-2 lbs a week. And yes, I do work out... still... and I am not the least bit bothered by the lower carb intake.
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jsfantome

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Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 18:38
Oh, btw... Welcome Sue!!! Smile Glad to have you here!!!
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lilycat

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Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 20:10
Welcome Sue! If you have any questions just ask. Everyone here is so helpful. I must say I too was on another diet (weight watchers) and did loose, but I feel so much better and thinner over all since I've switched. Not every diet is right for everyone. And diablo you are not on atkins please do not advise those who are.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 20:22
jsfantome wrote:
Perhaps, Diablo, from the perspective of a bodybuilder ... too much restriction may not be all that helpful. However, I have read thru a lot of 'body building' sites - and they all agree the 'bad' carbs are not adviseable for anyone on a regular basis!

Most folks on Atkins, are increasing their protein, and getting all of their carbs from healthy, natural veggies.. then moving up to the fruits, nuts, legumes, grains, etc... just not the crappy carbs like sweets, cakes, donuts, candy, etc...

Once under control, and nearer your goal... you can easily begin to occasionally enjoy some of the moderate carbs again.

I just wish people wouldn't make blanket statements... restricting carbs is not adviseable...! Neither was carrying around nearly 70 extra pounds!! LOL!

I tried counting calories, and working out... for a complete year. It just did not work for me. Be it hormones, be it not enough intake for my energy output... I don't know... but I kept waiting for something to kick in and I was working my butt off! Nothing.

When I got the worst offending carbs out of my system, and out of my regular dietary intake... I started losing 1-2 lbs a week. And yes, I do work out... still... and I am not the least bit bothered by the lower carb intake.


"Bad" foods get a bad rap because of the insulin spike myth where "experts" advise that an insulin spike primes the body for fat storage. The truth is here: http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

One reason that you broke through your plateau is most likely because your protein intake was sharply increased since carbs were restricted you have to get your calories from another source right? Protein has the highest thermic effect in the body. 25-30% of the calories consumed from protein are needed in the digesting process. So it can be argued that 3-3.2 calories are the "net" calories of a protein gram instead of the 4 they are worth before being broken down in the body. Protein also helps with lean mass retention meaning that more of the body weight lost is fat.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 20:28
lilycat wrote:
And diablo you are not on atkins please do not advise those who are.


I know that people want to believe that a certain named diet is the magical solution. It's sad that a lot of people would rather swallow the blue pill than to take their health and fitness into their own hands by educating themselves.

It is as simple as calories in vs. calories out. If you want to sculpt your body while losing the weight instead of just turning into a smaller version with the same shape on a unnecessary strict diet so be it. Up the protein, incorporate resistance training and burn more calories than you take in. Simple.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
mdep1229

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Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 08:27
It is as simple as calories in vs. calories out.

Perhaps so if your ONLY goal is to lose weight. There are many here who have other goals as well - to improve health, to mitigate some existing conditions, train for a marathon, or even to eat in a way to reduce carbon footprint.

Frankly, people are a bit tired of your one-size-fit-all "truth" without taken into consideration the age, health condition, choice of diet, and goals of the person who posed a question.
greerp

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Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 09:12
Diablo, Atkins is a high fat diet, not a high protein diet. Protein levels don't change, fat levels do. As always you know zip about this diet.

BTW, in your other thread, you don't lose water weight as a result of glycogen loss. You lose water weight as a result of insulin stabalization. Insulin has an antinatriuretic effect on your body, which leads to sodium retention. The lower the levels of circulating insulin, the less your body retains waters due to sodium loss. This is why during the first two weeks people on Atkins need to drink broth to get electrolytes.

Also, ketones and fatty acids are converted by the liver through glucogenesis to produce glucose when needed. Your glycogen stores get replenished just fine while in ketosis.
greerp

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Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 09:35
Diablo360x wrote:


"Bad" foods get a bad rap because of the insulin spike myth where "experts" advise that an insulin spike primes the body for fat storage. The truth is here: http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319.


That article is completly wrong. First and for most Insulin in conjunction with lipoprotein lipase (LPL), enables fatty acids to cross through your fat membranes. LPL is the enzyme that sticks out from the membranes of different cells and then pulls fat out of the bloodstream and into the cells. If the LPL is on the surface of a muscle cell, then it directs the fat into the muscle to be used for fuel. If it’s on a fat cell, then it makes that fat cell fatter. (The LPL breaks down triglycerides in the bloodstream into their component fatty acids, and then the fatty acids flow into the cell.)

Insulin activates LPL on fat cells, particularly the fat cells of the abdomen; it “upregulates” LPL. The more insulin we secrete, the more active the LPL on the fat cells, and the more fat is diverted from the bloodstream into the fat cells to be stored. Insulin also happens to suppress LPL activity on the muscle cells, assuring that they won’t have many fatty acids to burn.

HSL works to make fat cells (and us) leaner. It does so by working inside the fat cells to break down triglycerides into their component fatty acids, so that those fatty acids can then escape into the circulation. The more active this HSL, the more fat we liberate and can burn for fuel and the less, obviously, we store. Insulin also suppresses this enzyme HSL, and so it prevents triglycerides from being broken down inside the fat cells and keeps the outward flow of fatty acids from the fat cells to a minimum. And it takes just a little bit of insulin to accomplish this feat of shutting down HSL and trapping fat in our fat cells. When insulin levels are elevated, even a little, fat accumulates in the fat cells.

These three hormones work together. Your link left that fact out.

The rest of your link focuses on protein and it's effect on insulin. Considering the fact that Atkins is a high fat diet, not a high protein diet, the rest of your link means nothing. Insulin levels are not effected by dietary fat. So people going on this diet, will have kept their protein intake the same, increased their fat intake and decreased their carb intake. Therefore, lowered their insulin levels all around.
PeeFat

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Posted: 19 Aug 2011, 10:01
I love Atkins. It has been a blast watching my body transform from flab to fab. Over 100 lbs now! Just stick to the acceptable food list and get in some resistance training. Getting healthy has never been so fun and rewarding. Shopping for a new wardrobe cost me a small fortune, but it's nice to wear fitted shirts and designer clothing which I had never purchased before.

Keep at it.. kiss the fat good bye


Coopwill

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Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 11:46
You go, everyone! Great responses to uninformed commentators! I am on Atkins as well, and when I am religious in my diet as well as exercising daily, all my health issues disappear! Thanks for some excellent reponses. I enjoyed the read.
If I can make a difference in others lives, I can make a difference in mine.
Tazzleberry

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Posted: 26 Nov 2013, 17:15
What our dear Diablo is forgetting is that the Dukan is a no-carb diet to start with. That was the point of this post.
Dukan is even lower carb than atkins. Also Atkins should be higher protein than fat. The main reason we (me included) start losing weight again after a Dukan plateau is mostly because we're not getting enough calories from this low carb & low fat diet so our metabolism slows the hell down. A higher calorie intake from the fat on atkins helps get the metabolism going again. No need to wrack your heads with insulin jargon.



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