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kauai

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Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 14:48
I am on my 2nd day and boy is this hard. I guess I am somewhat confused that it is ok to do 1000 calories but everything has always pointed to that few calories makes your body go into starvation mode. I guess I don't completely understand how it is suppose to work. Anyone have good suggestions for more variety of food to have while on fat fast? I don't eat avocado's which is a shame since I have read it is the "perfect food" for the Fat fast and LC eating in general. Would appreciate input as well as hearing about fat fast experiences.
sigmablue

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Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 15:02
Forget "starvation mode" that is bunk. I am not sure what type of fast you are doing, but that sure is a small amount of calories!
kauai

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Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 15:06
Its the Fat Fast on the Atkins plan
micki13

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Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 15:13
macadamia nuts, cream cheese, bullet proof coffee, egg mayo are all good fat fasting foods.
kauai

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Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 15:24
Thank you for the reply. I am eating those and was hoping to hear some variety other than what is posted on Atkins material. Have you been through the fat fast before?
micki13

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Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 16:26
yes, i did five day fasts twice before. fatty cuts of meat are also good. pork belly, 80% minced beef. Brie cheese. cold cuts with chunks of butter. smoked salmon roll ups with cream cheese. Cream cheese with sweetener and cinnamon. Cooked Streaky bacon with melted cheese roll ups. Might add a bit of variety! When I did the fast, I did around 90% fat. I wasn't hungry. I lost about 2 kg each time, but I'm not overweight, I was just trimming up for a special event. If you have more to lose, you should drop more pounds than that. Hope it helps!
reddarin

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 10:17
sigmablue wrote:
Forget "starvation mode" that is bunk.


I disagree.

Restricting calories too much has real consequences even if the restriction does not trigger biomarkers that are used for the clinical definition of starvation mode. To wit, you don't chug along perfectly healthy and cross a sharp border into the land of starvation mode.

Right? Otherwise your next statement is no objection at all: "but that sure is a small amount of calories!".

There is a link that is inevitably posted when the term starvation mode is mentioned - two(?) vapid guys rip the idea of starvation mode to shreds. They take it apart piece by piece. But what they have done is take a casual use of the term and contrast it to the clinical definition of the term. It is vacuous because you can do the same thing to practically any commonly used term that has a professional counterpart.

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HeyJude602

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 10:37
I know I will get flack for this, but...

The wisdom of the dieting world states, "Starvation mode makes your body stop losing weight."

So, how come people in refugee camps get down to skin and bones? I am not saying it is a healthy thing to do, but, if you are on a very restricted diet, you may retain weight for a few days, but your body will eventually have to start burning what is stored. Either that or start pulling calories/energy out of thin air.

Goal!

I try to think of exercise like doing the dishes or laundry; I might not necessarily look forward to doing it, but it is necessary.
reddarin

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 10:50
HeyJude602 wrote:
I know I will get flack for this, but...

The wisdom of the dieting world states, "Starvation mode makes your body stop losing weight."

So, how come people in refugee camps get down to skin and bones? I am not saying it is a healthy thing to do, but, if you are on a very restricted diet, you may retain weight for a few days, but your body will eventually have to start burning what is stored. Either that or start pulling calories/energy out of thin air.


Hrmmm. How can a response to a direct question posed be construed as "flack"?

You are conflating being starved with physiological responses to calorie restriction that is too high for actual starvation but low enough to trigger physiological responses to fight weight loss.

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reddarin

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 10:55
HeyJude602 wrote:
but, if you are on a very restricted diet, you may retain weight for a few days, but your body will eventually have to start burning what is stored. Either that or start pulling calories/energy out of thin air.


The problem with the way you describe the situation is that it is almost impossible to starve yourself. You may do it for some length of time and even lose some weight but you are going to fail and regain the weight.

And the choice is not binary for your body. It has a third choice, which is the first thing it does when faced with calorie deficit - your metabolism slows down to conserve energy. That is why people that eat very low calories can still be frustrated in the weight loss department.
HeyJude602

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 11:34
reddarin wrote:
but you are going to fail and regain the weight.


Even if you never go back to your old way of eating and watch your caloric intake for the rest of your life? Even if you lose weight by severely restricting your calories and then once you lose the weight you wish, you maintain a healthy lifestyle from that point on?

I better tell my friend. She is in her fifth year of maintenance.

Goal!

I try to think of exercise like doing the dishes or laundry; I might not necessarily look forward to doing it, but it is necessary.
kauai

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 12:55
Wow I was under the impression that this forum was used for feedback and support. Is anyone familiar with Atkins Fat fats? perhaps if your not, don't provide your views. I was asking for advice from someone who has been through it.
sigmablue

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 13:16
HeyJude602 wrote:
I know I will get flack for this, but...

The wisdom of the dieting world states, "Starvation mode makes your body stop losing weight."

So, how come people in refugee camps get down to skin and bones? I am not saying it is a healthy thing to do, but, if you are on a very restricted diet, you may retain weight for a few days, but your body will eventually have to start burning what is stored. Either that or start pulling calories/energy out of thin air.


I think a low amount of calories can be dangerous, but this idea of starvation mode needs to stop. It takes a long time for people to reach starvation mode, and a very low body fat percentage. You don't just reach it from having too few calories.
kauai

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 13:50
HeyJude602 your still voicing YOUR views. I am following Atkins and perhaps someone who has that in common with me can provide advice and support!!
eKatherine

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 14:05
The Atkins Fat Fast is a temporary "crash diet" that people on Atkins use to jump-start weight loss that is stalled.

Common dieting wisdom says our bodies have 2 modes, "regular mode" and "starvation mode", and that we switch from regular mode to starvation mode upon eating too few calories and then maybe never lose weight again.

What actually happens is that if you restrict your calories too long at too low a level, your metabolism begins to creep down. Eventually the successful dieter will find they must eat a lot less than they used to, and even a lot less than anyone else at that weight can eat. But that's a long way down the line.

I was fond of eating 3oz of raw almonds and 2oz (weight) of coconut oil (one teaspoon at a time) on fat fast days. Or nothing but macadamias. A lot of people eat things like egg yolks, brie, and other foods that are too low in fat to give you 90% days.

Here's an interesting study that had its participants do a phase that would have counted as an Atkins fat fast.
berley1

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 14:37
KAUAI, i have done a fat fast a few times, not easy but useful when you hit a stall; it does get your body back into fat-burning mode. you're only supposed to do a fat fast for, i think, about 3-4 days. at least i've never done it longer. if you're going to do a fat fast, i really think you should research it before you do it because it's a waste of time if you don't do it right.

a fat fast, technically, is 1000-1200 calories a day, 90% from fat. you don't really eat meals but eat a high-fat mini-meal 4-5 times a day of roughly 200-250 calories each. i stuck mostly with coffee with cream or coconut oil in the morning, then the rest of my "meals" were (1)an oz of macadamia nuts, (2) shirataki noodles with butter, (3) a low-carb veggie with butter or coconut oil, (4) some cream cheese wrapped in a piece of bacon...things like that. and LOTS of water and a multi-vitamin.

i actually purchased an ebook on my kindle called "fat fast cookbook: 50 easy recipes to jump start weight loss" by dana carpender. it was not expensive, maybe around $11-14 i think. the book starts with a really good explanation of how and why to do a fat fast. good luck!
kauai

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 15:00
berley1 - what do you know, there are people on here that can give advice and not just voice their opinions. Thank you for giving me some insight on YOUR actual experience.
berley1

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 15:35
you're very welcome! not to be a broken record, but i really encourage you to find out how to do a fat fast (google it, search this site, or find a book like i did) before you try it. it's not easy to do a fat fast and you need to plan ahead so you have your food ready. believe me, the last thing you want to do is have to go to the grocery store and see all the food you can't have! Sad
reddarin

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 16:07
HeyJude602 wrote:
reddarin wrote:
but you are going to fail and regain the weight.


Even if you never go back to your old way of eating and watch your caloric intake for the rest of your life? Even if you lose weight by severely restricting your calories and then once you lose the weight you wish, you maintain a healthy lifestyle from that point on?

I better tell my friend. She is in her fifth year of maintenance.


Um. I was responding to your astounding assertion that starving yourself is a workable strategy:

"So, how come people in refugee camps get down to skin and bones?...but, if you are on a very restricted diet,"

Is your friend starving herself? If she is you really should tell her that it is unhealthy.

"Even if you never"

What you are saying here is *not* what you were saying in your other post. Of course you can do a lifestyle change and be successful for the long term. But the mortality rate in concentration camps is high last time I checked and no one really calls that a 'lifestyle change', right?
reddarin

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Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 16:36
kauai wrote:
berley1 - what do you know, there are people on here that can give advice and not just voice their opinions. Thank you for giving me some insight on YOUR actual experience.


To be fair, you did specifically ask about calories:

"is ok to do 1000 calories"

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"and was hoping to hear some variety"

Usually FFs are very short term and infrequent. To help keep it that way I think you should eschew variety to highlight the limited scope of the FF.



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