DON'T DO CARDIO - Must Read!

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paperiniko

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Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 19:47
our ancestors died aged 25 and they never grew old if that is the model for these ridiculous theories
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Posted: 14 Jul 2012, 08:23
Baxie, you did too much cardio, and the blue line was taken away from you. Wink
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billtech66

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Posted: 14 Jul 2012, 10:16
LoL ! Smile


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very good discussion, I enjoyed it, thanks all. Smile
bpraters1

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Posted: 14 Jul 2012, 11:33
All this thread has is a link to an article full of anecdotal claims, and a personal anecdotal claim, neither are acceptable as objective evidence against cardio exercise. To present any conclusion from this to the community is dishonest, and any claim made about fitness health without citing sources is academically dishonest. Also, just because it's in a magazine or news article, or has a doctor's name attached to it, doesn't mean it's worth a single penny. As for Dr. Sears, he and his employers should sit down and have a word.
hmbird

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Posted: 14 Jul 2012, 14:52
The answer I have found is to do 10 mins with 1min x blasts at high speeds. This has really helped me lose weight. I go to the gym every lunch time for only 30 mins but pack in the exercise.
I used to not bother as I didn't have 1 hour to spare but 30min I can do. I also walk a lot so sometimes if I have time, I walk to my next appointment.
I sometimes swimming for 30mins and that has helped my back and joints.
Counting calories on here has really helped and understanding that it's a real balance of needing food to function not as a form of entertainment to cope with boredom. Confused
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Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 16:08
Wow!
DairyKing

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Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 16:35
I think the article is hogwash, and the M.D. is a Mad Doctor! IMHO! There is too much evidence to the contrary.
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wiener4

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Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 16:46
I will continue to work my heart rate. I feel good after cardio-vascular exercise - whether that activity is a quick paced walk, some jumping jacks, skipping my jump rope or even a light jog. We must trust what we know in our hearts to be true! No pun intended!
Erica5

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Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 19:00
I agree with this article entirely. Chronic cardio= chronic stress= chronic inflammation= premature aging / early death.
erika2633

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Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 19:22
In the article, he says that this "chronic cardio" that you are referring to can be 45 minutes on a treadmill or an hour long aerobics class.. I would not classify those things as "chronic cardio".

The heart damage/stress effects are mainly found in people that have run hundreds of marathons/ultramarathons/triathlons and have a tendency to overtrain. That's not what the article was about. The article was trying to scare people away from an hour long aerobics class!!! Give me a break!

I guess if this really does turn out to be true, I'd rather die from a heart attack in the middle of my *gasp* hour long turbo-kick class or on mile 5 of a training run than in the drive-thru lane at McDonald's...


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DairyKing

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Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 20:28
The heart is a muscle and has to be developed just like you would any other muscle. People that have developed their cardiovascular system and musculoskeletal systems to the point where they are operating at maximum efficiency are not anywhere near the risk that the couch potato is, who goes out for a brisk 20 minute walk that is beyond his or her capacity at the time. Endurance training and HIIT, done correctly, with proper rest intervals, increases cardiovascular efficiency, decreases cholesterol, lowers your resting heartrate, fine tunes your metabolism, and has been responsible for curing more people with type II diabetes than any other ritual I know. I agree with Erika; the MD is doing more harm than good, by scaring people into believing that they shouldn't push beyond their comfort zones.
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DairyKing

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Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 21:58
I suppose if I live to be 89, they'll say I would have made it to 90 if I hadn't pushed my heartrate up for extended periods so many times. Good golly, I never expected to live this long! Oh, I suppose once someone gets something like this into their head, it's almost impossible to convince them otherwise. I think this stuff causes cancer in rats anyway!
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 05:32
I could only read the top paragraph without wanting to rip my face off (A.D.D) and I just wanted to say that what you mentioned is OVERTRAINING! Of course that's going to happen if you run a marathon a day. I usually keep my cardio short, 15-30 minutes of intense cardio every day, and it feels me with more energy, etc. If you feel like your legs are getting weak, take a few days off. Maybe even a week if you have to. If you keep running on a daily basis even though your legs and body are tired, OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE. It's not like it's going to get better, that's when cortisol pumps through your body. Moderation is indeed the key guys.
skong

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Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 06:56
Anyone bother looking up this "doctor", he's like an 'infomercial' doctor trying to sell his crap and make money. Another doctor with a fool proof diet plan.......
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 09:17
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 13:30
The trouble with an article like that is that the average person has to sort out the science and understand nuanced differences that are not apparent. The article does a lousy job of differentiating between High intensity workout programs and cardiovascual endurance exercise. And doesn't even touch how exercise without proper nutrition can deplete muscle in addition to fat. So d@#*&t now I have to go do more research again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is another article that more clearly delineates what Sears is getting at: http://naturalbias.com/cardio-a-waste-of-time-and-energy/


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Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 14:24
I think this "theory" is bunk. Also, I admittedly don't even care if it's bunk or if it even has a single spec of truth to it because I will NEVER (consciously and totally on purpose) perform cardio in any chronic fashion as long as I'm alive. I have zero desire, and I think it's highly unnecessary for people who are not actively pursuing a spot on the next Olympic speed-skating team. In fact, my creative, fun, relaxed way of exercising will suffice to supply my body with enough cardio exercise to get me fit. It's just common sense. This is a very bizarre thread if you think about it. I think we're far enough advanced in Body Science - and in simple common sense of adulthood - to know that the "doc" who wrote that article is a Quack, and cardio within the limits of any persons abilities and health allowance is always going to be healthier than a sedentary bump on a log.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 16:58
paperiniko wrote:
our ancestors died aged 25 and they never grew old if that is the model for these ridiculous theories


I love this, so true. I am doing HIIT training right now, so I guess I'm okay in that docs theory, but I wouldn't give up cardio. I enjoy doing cardio exercises even if it's not HIIT. I don't think that you should do just cardio, but I don't see too many problems with someone getting in 30 mins. of cardio a few times a week. I guess I'm not a doctor, so what do I know, but if my doctor told me to give up cardio I'd get a second opinion. I have a rapid resting heart rate and irregular heart beat that I take a pill for, and honestly I think doing cardio helps me level out.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 20:04
Patty, that was a great link. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 21:34
While cardio may not work for everyone, I've been taking a 1 hour class twice a week and feel so much better. I don't feel drained, or overly tired. In fact, I have more energy. This on top of the 1300 calorie diet my Dr. recommended. I take vitamins just like I always have. I've been able to lose 30 lbs and I'm in the best shape ever.

To say that cardio works for no one is crazy. Everyone is NOT the same. What works for some may not work for others.



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