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Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=Shari22][quote=mmoodd69... how someone can lose weight after initiating caloric [i][b]surplus[/b][/i] by cutting starch but actually upping calories with increased fat intake. :d [/quote] If true, the changes made actually created a calorie deficit.[/quote] Wow. So in your book, does 5 + 2 = 4?
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Any Virgin Dieters
No virgins in my area so I have no idea how they taste.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=Fedaykin][quote=mmoodd6... a calorie deficit and you WILL lose weight.[/quote] Explain how someone can lose weight after initiating caloric [i][i][b]surplus[/b][/i][/i] by cutting starch but actually upping calories with increased fat intake. :d [/quote] If true, the changes made actually created a calorie deficit.[/quote] Wrong. [quote]Create a caloric surplus, and you will gain weight. [/quote] Wrong. No one argues fat has approximately 2x the caloric value of carbs. If you more than offset the carb loss with fat increase, and all other factors remain static (mine did and do), you are by definition creating a caloric surplus compared with where you began. By YOUR mythology I should have gained weight. I lost it. I'm not the only one. There is a big factor here that people like you are simply refusing to even acknowledge because it will prove your whole mythology dead wrong as the universal Truth you want it to be. But thanks for playing. Now for our next contestant on [b]CICO! IS! BOGUS![/b]
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=Fedaykin]Create a calorie deficit and you WILL lose weight.[/quote] Explain how someone can lose weight after initiating caloric [i][i][b]surplus[/b][/i][/i] by cutting starch but actually upping calories with increased fat intake. :d
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=Diablo360x] I don't need to read anything further. I have tried every type of diet [/quote] No you have not. You've never tried an ultra-high saturated fat/moderate protein diet, with the fat calories more than making up for severely reducing carbohydrate to a max of 20 grams per day...a diet where you actually end up eating MORE calories despite cutting carbs. You haven't tried that diet - MY diet - because you're terrified of it. You're terrified you aren't tough enough to stick it out for even 30 days but you're even more terrified it will work and, in working, will utterly destroy your CICO myth, causing you to come back here and admit you've been dead wrong this whole time. So you won't even try it. But since you want us to believe you've tried every diet, including mine, and they all still boil down to calories, you really don't have anything else to discuss, do you. [quote] The difference between me and the carbaphobes is that I acknowledge that low carb diets work. But they work given a calorie deficit ONLY as with any other diet if weight loss is your goal.[/quote] You are either a truly stupid fool or a persistent troll who gets off repeating himself despite what we try telling you. Whichever you are, you are not honest. Try my diet for 30 days and see if you can come back and say that it's all about cutting calories. I dare you. I defy you. I challenge you. Man up, put up or shut up, once and for all.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
STILL this is going on? Wow. School has started back up so I've been away. I'm now at 162.3. I'd hit a plateau at 165 last time I posted so I shook things up a bit by giving my pancreas something to do for a few weeks (small controlled doses of candy, cookies, Frankenberry, mashed taters, things like that). Put on about a pound but once I quit that crap a few days ago and went back into ketosis, [i]around three pounds dropped immediately.[/i] Everything else I'd been eating has remained the same the whole time, incidentally...[u]very[/u] high fat with no caloric reduction, eating when I'm hungry and stopping when I'm not. I was only adding in minor amounts of useless glucose. I guess that proves there's no such thing as insulin involvement with weight gain/loss. No. No such thing. How silly to think it's anything but the calories. So who got banned in my absence?
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=onedaat]This is a clip from the video I linked to from when he swam the channel in 2005. It's a good shot of his double chin. Keep in mind he was working out 4 hours a day, eating a carb heavy diet low in fat and will have made a 21 mile swim in a few days. Yet he has a double chin. Hmmm, maybe he should just work out more! [img]http://i.imgur.com/rQahWz... Here is a picture from the same time period that shows his gut. [img]http://i.imgur.com/cuZSvx... He may look buff but he reports on his blog that his cholesterol, blood sugar and triglyceride numbers were in the toilet. How can someone be physically fit but also insulin resistant? It's is strange that all of these things reversed once he went low carb? Doesn't that make any of you dogmatist question yourselves even for a moment?[/quote] Gotta disagree with you on the shot of his chin. Like myself, he has a rather small jaw in profile...receding chin, some call it. That causes the muscle group below the tongue, which includes the tongue itself, to seem more pronounced and lower-hanging (thus fatter) than it would look if the jaw/chin protruded farther out and gave that muscle group more room. Trust me - my profile looks a lot like his and I have zero excess fat under my chin or on my neck, just skin. But from a distance, you'd think I had double chin, so his isn't necessarily fat. I doubt it is. The top pic shows what his jaw looks like thrust up and out. Mine will do that, too, but ain't no way I'm gonna walk around looking like Mussolini all day (you young'uns google a pic of him, you'll see what I mean).
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=eKatherine][quote=mmood... Vriendelike groete!![/quote] I'm no grammar Nazi but for an "engineer" you have atrocious spelling. I marked your inexcusable spelling and grammar mistakes. I point it out only because such errors are very, very unusual for ANY true, technically qualified "engineer." You are a joke, just another CICO sock like all the rest. PPS What kind of "engineer" are you, again?[/quote] I wouldn't say having poor spelling would mean a person can't possibly be an engineer. I've known engineers with absolutely atrocious spelling, even who were proud of their poor spelling, because that meant they hadn't wasted time on trivial things like English class. Speaking of which, I think Hennie is not a native speaker of English, and has zero concern about proofreading or the fact that proper spelling improves the effective communication of a piece of writing. So I think he [i][b]is[/b][/i] some sort of an engineer. [/quote] I respectfully disagree. The rest of his writing seems fine.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
I mentioned before how last week I indulged my family in some ribeyes. Two days ago I got the leftover steaks out of the freezer. These ones were particularly fat and untrimmed. The one I ate had a golfball sized chunk of pure fat in it. I ate that steak and most of that chunk of fat (I did give part of it to the dog). Being in my 40s, my body puts on fat QUICKLY whenever I overeat carbs/glucose. Within a few days, I can see it, the scale tells me I'm heavier and my clothes fit differently. Since I consumed all that beef fat, though - on top of all the fat I normally consume during a day - my 165 lbs has not budged. I do not jog, I do not power walk, I do not do anything remotely like exercise apart from normal perambulation around the house and to the car and back. Oh, I also push mow the yard once a week. So someone tell me again how CICO is The Law, how a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, how it's all thermodynamics, how we're just simple machines, and how insulin, hormones, etc have nothing to do with it? I'm confused why all the calorie-dense fat I'm eating...which SHOULD make me fat...ISN'T making me fat but makes me LOSE weight? CICOs? Any thoughts? For some of us The Law is: High glucose = insulin = fat storage. Conversely, low glucose = ketosis = fat loss. It. Is. That. Simple. But we're either imagining it or we are lying, right?
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=HennieP]Just think about it . . . no [b][u]realy[/u],[/b] think ! You can't discard the baseline laws/disciplines/functions because other inherited imperfections (genetically i.e. allergies), or self[b][u]-[/u][/b]inflicted damage (toxification), are upsetting your SYSTEM and preventing your body from functioning "normal" as it was designed/engineered to do. If some of those DELICATE SUBSYSTEMS in your body is not functioning well, it will require "fixing" and, in some cases, yes - it will determine/dictate the amount of fuel (macro [b][u]nutriants[/u][/b]) you have to put in and the quality of the fuel (micro [b][u]nutriants[/u][/b]) you have to put in. But guess what - the output is still balanced with regards to the input. As for "my so called hero"; [b][u]I[/u][/b]f there are no toxins in the food he consumes, his seemingly healthy and normal body will deal with that food as with any other. His body will soon tell him if there are a micro nutrition shortfall, and [b][u]i'm[/u][/b] sure himself will adjust accordingly. My common sense tells me: It is possible that you inhaled far more [b][u]harmfull[/u] [/b]toxins when you sprayed that insecticides or the perfume you are wearing today, than "possible" toxins present in the burgers he loves so much. Think twice before blaming a health condition for being overweight. For most of the population, it is most likely to be the other way round - a health condition due to being overweight in first place ??? For basic sustained health, [b][u]adress[/u] [/b]your basics first and then treat your remaining condition. If it is an emergency and requires medical intervention, by all means treat it in [b][u]parrallel[/u] [/b]- fix the symptom AND the cause. I don't think your worldwide obesity epidemic (or pandemic) is caused by a health condition that went previously undetected and they discovered the "BAD STRAIN" all of a sudden, or for that matter still searching for it as we speak. I think it is purely caused by ignoring the basics and being [b][u]ignorent[/u][/b] to what your body needs and how much he can tolerate - Oh, and yes, bad education from the ones who are suppose to know best. Then again, maybe people don't want to learn ?? PS: I am also astonished how people will not believe (buy) something, if they didn't pay a fortune for it. As if they say; Hey, it's free - where is the catch? and; If it sounds to good to be true - it probably is. (That is only applicable to the human materialistic/capitalistic world. The best lessons in nature are free). I have spoken my mind and will leave you all in piece now. Enjoy your pursuit of, and journey to a sustainable healthy lifestyle - I think everyone who joined this site have that in common. Vriendelike groete!![/quote] I'm no grammar Nazi but for an "engineer" you have atrocious spelling. I marked your inexcusable spelling and grammar mistakes. I point it out only because such errors are very, very unusual for ANY true, technically qualified "engineer." You are a joke, just another CICO sock like all the rest. PS About your "hero," you referenced [i]"his seemingly healthy and normal body."[/i] How exactly would you know that about him or anyone on this board? From an avatar? PPS What kind of "engineer" are you, again?
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=HennieP]I'm an engineer[/quote] What kind? Chemical? Sanitation? Locomotive? [quote]and all the anti-cico followers [b][i][u]MUST[/u][/i][/b] explain to me[/quote] Oooooh...a [i]bossy[/i] engineer. That's the best kind.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=reddarin][quote=mmoodd6... So, I keep my protein intake pretty steady, which is to say, moderate. I cut carbs/glucose severely but [i]more[/i] than make up for those caloric cuts with saturated fat. And I still lose weight. I'm 165 as of this morning. If CICO is an absolute, inviolable, universal truth, this should not be.[/quote] More accurately, if CICO really was an expression of applied thermodynamics regarding human metabolism it should be impossible. :)[/quote] 'zactly.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=onedaat]Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories http://www.nutristrategy.com/n... Thanks. So, I keep my protein intake pretty steady, which is to say, moderate. I cut carbs/glucose severely but [i]more[/i] than make up for those caloric cuts with saturated fat. And I still lose weight. I'm 165 as of this morning. If CICO is an absolute, inviolable, universal truth, this should not be.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
Open question for anyone to answer (except the CICO boys). Which is more calorically dense: carbohydrate or an equal amount of saturated fat?
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=onedaat]I think my biggest gripe with the CICO thesis is the belief that all calories are the same. In reality 100 calories from sugar has a very different chemical and hormonal affect on the body than the same number of calories from butter. For example... Fats don't trigger insulin like carbs and proteins do.[/quote] That's pretty much the point I made in one of my very first posts here but it caused Spacey to go absolutely ape, slam his tiny delicate hands over his ears and scream "NO!" in every thread he found me in, whether he was invited or not. He also may have insulted me a time or two. :shock: I suspect he was just off his meds. He must have shown the mods his scrip to get back on the board. Diablo is much the same way...way more wordy than Spacey but just as ignorant and fanatical.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
THE DANGER OF ASPARTAME AND ITS EFFECTS ON ANYONE THAT CONSUMES IT
[quote=onedaat] The danger of the artificial sweeteners to me is that they prevent you from being able to break an addiction to sweet foods.[/quote] Good point. Whenever I've failed to observe LC the way my body tells me I should, I could guiltily 'moderate' my carbs but it didn't matter - I still gave in to cravings due to blood sugar swings from eating too much glucose. Artificial sweet'ners didn't help. But whenever my appetite is naturally suppressed by ketosis, artificial sweet'ners have never triggered cravings. The mileage of others may vary on that, but it's been my consistent experience and is another reason why I consider ketosis the key to LC success.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
THE DANGER OF ASPARTAME AND ITS EFFECTS ON ANYONE THAT CONSUMES IT
When I was a young'un back in the early '70s my Mom threw out all her stuff sweetened with saccharine because it was guaranteed you'd catch cancer if you ate any. We all know what has since been learned. That event made me very skeptical of hype surrounding artificial sweet'ners. Not saying they're not correct...I just don't buy the hype right off the bat. These things MAY be proven incorrect. It just takes time.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Thermodynamics? Not really...
[quote=onedaat]You really seem very defensive and emotional about bb.com. It comes off as cultish. [/quote] Many gym rat "enhancement supplements" affect mood.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
How To Eat Starchy Carbs And Avoid Gaining Fat
Good article. People who have a problem with carbs need to invest in a blood glucose monitor. Avoiding Hostess Ding Dongs is common sense but a monitor will tell you which questionable starches will or won't trigger insulin, thereby letting you shape your diet to your needs. Having that info is gold for keeping on top of your health as well as for losing weight.
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
Low Carb High Fat Shout-Out
Great to hear! The idea of a low glucose diet is not new and was not new with Atkins. It has been used as a medical tool for a few hundred years at least. I mention this only because so many haters of LC think it's new - therefore a fad - but it ain't. Allow me to point out two factoids to tweak the inevitable LC stalkers who always lurk and do ignurnt drive-by's on our threads: 1. Gladiators in ancient Rome knew the usefulness of eating (what we'd call) high carb foods in order to put a layer of protective fat around their torsos. 2. I was watching an episode of the old show I SPY (1966) when Bill Cosby's character turns down someone's offer to dinner, patting his stomach and saying, "Sorry, already ate too much starch and carbohydrate" or something to that effect, complaining how out of shape it was making him. The effect of what we know to be a high glucose diet is hardly news, and eating a low glucose diet is hardly a fad. Don't let ANY of the attention-starved boneheads around here argue with you on it; you'll just be wasting your time. Again, welcome!!!
by mmoodd69 (submitted 4 years ago)
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